3 year old filly Eclipse?

Betsy · #1 09-20-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

She probably has to win. . .

Why would MN have to win? She's 1-1 in a head to head match up and this was a bad loss for PS in the sense that it was a pretty terrible field. MN had to be penalized for her loss to PS, so PS definitely needs to be penalized for this loss.

I just can not see giving the title to Indian Blessing. I didn't even agree with Xtra Heat, but none of the 3 year old fillies that year did enough to secure the award. IB is up against two very good fillies in PS and Music Note that have done a lot this year. She'll very likely win the BC Distaff Sprint (or whatever it is it's called) and get the championship for female sprinter, which she would deserve.

ateamstupid · #2 09-20-2008, 06:59 PM

Indian Blessing's only losses this year are to Proud Spell and Zaftig, and she beat the former once. If she wins the BC F&M Sprint and neither Music Note nor Proud Spell win the Distaff, why shouldn't she be considered?

Betsy · #3 09-20-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Indian Blessing's only losses this year are to Proud Spell and Zaftig, and she beat the former once. If she wins the BC F&M Sprint and neither Music Note nor Proud Spell win the Distaff, why shouldn't she be considered?

Music Note has the Mother Goose, CCA, Gazelle and a 2nd in the Alabama on her record. Proud Spell as the KY Oaks, Alabama, FG Oaks (I believe) and Delaware Oaks on her record.

Indian Blessing won a stake or two at the FG this year (one of which was ungraded, I think), the Test, another sprint stakes (not major) and this race today. If she wins the Filly and Mare Sprint, she deserves to be on the ballot for sure for 3 year old filly champion, but no - I don't think her resume stacks up as champion filly, not when PS and MN have done so much.

hockey2315 · #4 09-20-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Music Note has the Mother Goose, CCA, Gazelle and a 2nd in the Alabama on her record. Proud Spell as the KY Oaks, Alabama, FG Oaks (I believe) and Delaware Oaks on her record.

Indian Blessing won a stake or two at the FG this year (one of which was ungraded, I think), the Test, another sprint stakes (not major) and this race today. If she wins the Filly and Mare Sprint, she deserves to be on the ballot for sure for 3 year old filly champion, but no - I don't think her resume stacks up as champion filly, not when PS and MN have done so much.

Umm. . . it was the Grade 1 Prioress

Antitrust32 · #5 09-22-2008, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Indian Blessing's only losses this year are to Proud Spell and Zaftig, and she beat the former once. If she wins the BC F&M Sprint and neither Music Note nor Proud Spell win the Distaff, why shouldn't she be considered?

I for one think Indian Blessing is the best 3yo filly out there. And I think she'll get it if the circumstance above happens!

pgiaco · #6 09-22-2008, 03:46 PM

Sounds like Proud Spell is done for the year, at least according to Blood Horse.

Danzig · #7 09-22-2008, 07:35 PM

http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/47177.htm

she hasn't had a break all year, so they're stopping on her. she may run in '09. i hope she returns, but that has no bearing i'm sure!!

hockey2315 · #8 09-20-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Why would MN have to win? She's 1-1 in a head to head match up and this was a bad loss for PS in the sense that it was a pretty terrible field. MN had to be penalized for her loss to PS, so PS definitely needs to be penalized for this loss.

I just can not see giving the title to Indian Blessing. I didn't even agree with Xtra Heat, but none of the 3 year old fillies that year did enough to secure the award. IB is up against two very good fillies in PS and Music Note that have done a lot this year. She'll very likely win the BC Distaff Sprint (or whatever it is it's called) and get the championship for female sprinter, which she would deserve.

Because the Eclipse awards are pretty much based on WINS - so MN runs a decent 3rd behind Zenyatta and Ginger Punch in the Ladies' Classic and that decides the Eclipse?

RolloTomasi · #9 09-20-2008, 07:16 PM

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Because the Eclipse awards are pretty much based on WINS - so MN runs a decent 3rd behind Zenyatta and Ginger Punch in the Ladies' Classic and that decides the Eclipse?

I think that's how Farda Amiga won the Eclipse in 2002.

hockey2315 · #10 09-20-2008, 07:42 PM

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I think that's how Farda Amiga won the Eclipse in 2002.

Was the 2002 3 year-old filly crop as stacked as this one?

RolloTomasi · #11 09-20-2008, 08:17 PM

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Was the 2002 3 year-old filly crop as stacked as this one?

Stacked? You got two horses outside of Eight Belles, who is the likely 3rd finalist. None have stepped up to face older mares. The Distaff is likely to decide it whether or not either one actually finishes first.

Its a very weak imitation of Sky Beauty versus Hollywood Wildcat in '93. I won't even come close to the blasphemy of suggesting its in the same time zone as Winning Colors and Goodbye Halo in '88.

hockey2315 · #12 09-20-2008, 08:54 PM

so we're ruling out Indian Blessing?

RolloTomasi · #13 09-20-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

so we're ruling out Indian Blessing?

Yes.

zippyneedsawin · #14 09-20-2008, 10:07 PM

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Stacked? You got two horses outside of Eight Belles, who is the likely 3rd finalist. None have stepped up to face older mares. The Distaff is likely to decide it whether or not either one actually finishes first.

Its a very weak imitation of Sky Beauty versus Hollywood Wildcat in '93. I won't even come close to the blasphemy of suggesting its in the same time zone as Winning Colors and Goodbye Halo in '88.

So, if one finishes 7th and the other 8th.... it's the 7th place horse that gets the nod? what if another 3yo filly finishes ahead of both?
Proud Spell is still the front runner for this, unless Music Note wins the Ladies Classic... or both lose and Indian Blessing wins her race (she has to be considered as well, IMO)

RolloTomasi · #15 09-20-2008, 10:20 PM

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So, if one finishes 7th and the other 8th.... it's the 7th place horse that gets the nod? what if another 3yo filly finishes ahead of both?

Well, there's always a chance at a Dance Smartly-like surge to the title (she beat out archrivals Lite Light and Meadow Star, if you recall). Basically, Seattle Smooth is sort of in that position, though I highly doubt that horse will reappear in CA (unless Ernie Moody dictates it) and her form reversal is a bit dubious.

If they both run out in the Distaff, maybe that will help Eight Belle's chances, similar to Risen Star, Charismatic, and Prairie Bayou.

Betsy · #16 09-20-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Because the Eclipse awards are pretty much based on WINS - so MN runs a decent 3rd behind Zenyatta and Ginger Punch in the Ladies' Classic and that decides the Eclipse?

And I guess Music Note hasn't won anything of note. You just said the awards are decided on wins .......well, Proud Spell just lost to a very mediocre bunch.

hockey2315 · #17 09-20-2008, 10:27 PM

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And I guess Music Note hasn't won anything of note. You just said the awards are decided on wins .......well, Proud Spell just lost to a very mediocre bunch.

She has obviously won some races of note, but Proud Spell beat her when they faced each other in a fairly run race. And Proud Spell also won the Oaks. She finished second to a pretty fast horse today. . . I'm not sure what you're arguing about since it seemed like you agreed that Proud Spell is still in the Eclipse lead as of right now. . . Whatever they do from here on will probably decide it as PS is far from a cinch.

RolloTomasi · #18 09-20-2008, 10:34 PM

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I'm not sure what you're arguing about since it seemed like you agreed that Proud Spell is still in the Eclipse lead as of right now. . .

That was just passive-aggressive baiting to ferret out all the Proud Spell supporters. Too bad there's so many Indian Blessing fans, too.

Betsy · #19 09-20-2008, 10:38 PM

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She has obviously won some races of note, but Proud Spell beat her when they faced each other in a fairly run race. And Proud Spell also won the Oaks. She finished second to a pretty fast horse today. . . I'm not sure what you're arguing about since it seemed like you agreed that Proud Spell is still in the Eclipse lead as of right now. . . Whatever they do from here on will probably decide it as PS is far from a cinch.

Let me be clear that I am not knocking PS in any way...nor Indian Blessing. I just don't think IB has a resume that stacks up to PS or MN. In a weaker year, yes. As somone pointed out earlier, IB will very likely get the Eclipse for female sprinter. Also, I really don't see why PS is such a lead pipe cinch unless MN wins the Distaff, but I suppose it doesn't really matter. I have no clue as to how MN will handle the synthetic, but I suspect she won't handle it well at all. That will settle the question.

#20 09-21-2008, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Let me be clear that I am not knocking PS in any way...nor Indian Blessing. I just don't think IB has a resume that stacks up to PS or MN. In a weaker year, yes. As somone pointed out earlier, IB will very likely get the Eclipse for female sprinter. Also, I really don't see why PS is such a lead pipe cinch unless MN wins the Distaff, but I suppose it doesn't really matter. I have no clue as to how MN will handle the synthetic, but I suspect she won't handle it well at all. That will settle the question.

Indian Blessing is already a champion, and can now rate, something she could not do earlier in the year, i think shes as good if not better then Music Note and Proud Spell, and if they faced today things could be different, especially with her clear pace advantage