The Spa says who needs Polytrack?

I can gurantee you that attendance by many trainers at Keeneland will be down this fall. It makes no sense to prep for the BC over a surface like that. All Keeneland has done is help the Belmont fall meet out!! Keeneland will take a hammering in the handle. Lets see how many tracks wanna switch when Keeneland takes a beating in the handle.
Its a text book marketing scam, thats all this stuff is. The playbook goes like this:
1) Seize on the issues that its all about horses health and play on tragedies to try and use them to your advantage. Make out any trainer who says he doesnt like it to be in the same league as a molester, make any opponents of the stuff afraid to speak out lest they be labeled bad guys who don't care about horses health.
2) Hammer home to tracks that after they spend the initial ten million that maintenance costs will be minimal and save them money in the long run.(The fact that supposedly Turfway had to really work on the stuff this summer isn't spoken about) Don't explain to the track execs that many players(who support the tracks with handle) won't wanna play races on the stuff.
3) Rally around the fact that crippled horses who shouldnt be running in the first place can now make twice as many starts on the stuff and fill cards.
4) Don't make any mention of the fact that the jocks absolutely hate this stuff and because of it the races can set up very unorthodox. The agent of a LEADING Kentucky rider told me his kid hates the stuff. Says it hurts when it kicks back at you. Its why the races on the stuff look like parades with the horses all strung out, the jocks wanna be in the clear and out of the path of the kickback.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I can gurantee you that attendance by many trainers at Keeneland will be down this fall. It makes no sense to prep for the BC over a surface like that. All Keeneland has done is help the Belmont fall meet out!! Keeneland will take a hammering in the handle. Lets see how many tracks wanna switch when Keeneland takes a beating in the handle.
Its a text book marketing scam, thats all this stuff is. The playbook goes like this:
1) Seize on the issues that its all about horses health and play on tragedies to try and use them to your advantage. Make out any trainer who says he doesnt like it to be in the same league as a molester, make any opponents of the stuff afraid to speak out lest they be labeled bad guys who don't care about horses health.
2) Hammer home to tracks that after they spend the initial ten million that maintenance costs will be minimal and save them money in the long run.(The fact that supposedly Turfway had to really work on the stuff this summer isn't spoken about) Don't explain to the track execs that many players(who support the tracks with handle) won't wanna play races on the stuff.
3) Rally around the fact that crippled horses who shouldnt be running in the first place can now make twice as many starts on the stuff and fill cards.
4) Don't make any mention of the fact that the jocks absolutely hate this stuff and because of it the races can set up very unorthodox. The agent of a LEADING Kentucky rider told me his kid hates the stuff. Says it hurts when it kicks back at you. Its why the races on the stuff look like parades with the horses all strung out, the jocks wanna be in the clear and out of the path of the kickback.

Actually, Keeneland has had more barn requests for the fall 06 meet than for any other meet they have ever had. That tells me that there are going to more horses on the grounds. Secondly, Keeneland bought into the company after doing 10 years of research. They see the potential so why not buy it. And again, a synthetic surface is not for everyone. But I dont think handle will be down at all. And I think that the fields will be full as well.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Actually, Keeneland has had more barn requests for the fall 06 meet than for any other meet they have ever had. That tells me that there are going to more horses on the grounds. Secondly, Keeneland bought into the company after doing 10 years of research. They see the potential so why not buy it. And again, a synthetic surface is not for everyone. But I dont think handle will be down at all. And I think that the fields will be full as well.

Do you honestly think that anyone is gonna ship there to prep for the BC? It makes no sense. Only shippers for the polytrack races will be guys trying to get money who don't think they have true graded stakes horses. You know damn well that the polytrack hype machine was waiting with baited breath for someone prolific to break down up here so they could seize on it like they have the most recent breakdowns. Geez, heres a "novel" concept. Instead of spending 10 million on that stuff, spend a few thousand on some soil and throw it down on the track and then don't scrape it for the races. Who would figure? But then again noone gets rich marketing soil. Its very cheap and very abundant.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Do you honestly think that anyone is gonna ship there to prep for the BC? It makes no sense. Only shippers for the polytrack races will be guys trying to get money who don't think they have true graded stakes horses. You know damn well that the polytrack hype machine was waiting with baited breath for someone prolific to break down up here so they could seize on it like they have the most recent breakdowns. Geez, heres a "novel" concept. Instead of spending 10 million on that stuff, spend a few thousand on some soil and throw it down on the track and then don't scrape it for the races. Who would figure? But then again noone gets rich marketing soil. Its very cheap and very abundant.

It is a little more complicated than just throwing some soil down. I assume most trainers are going to be using the turf races as a prep. Then the 2 year old race will fill nicely. But Keeneland only has a couple of dirt prep races that never really are that popular. But I think we will be surprised by the meeting.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

It is a little more complicated than just throwing some soil down. I assume most trainers are going to be using the turf races as a prep. Then the 2 year old race will fill nicely. But Keeneland only has a couple of dirt prep races that never really are that popular. But I think we will be surprised by the meeting.

Its not as complicated as you might think. A good soil/sand mixture(without clay) can be thrown down and worked quite nicely. In addition the watering trucks up here have been given a huge break. Instead of constantly watering long and hard which makes the track fast and hard, they pretty much just harrow it and let it lie, when they do water its not excessive. The result has been a deep safe surface where, are you ready for this!!!!, off the pace types actually run well instead of speed parades all day.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Its not as complicated as you might think. A good soil/sand mixture(without clay) can be thrown down and worked quite nicely. In addition the watering trucks up here have been given a huge break. Instead of constantly watering long and hard which makes the track fast and hard, they pretty much just harrow it and let it lie, when they do water its not excessive. The result has been a deep safe surface where, are you ready for this!!!!, off the pace types actually run well instead of speed parades all day.

Obvioulsy you dont know much about geography.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Obvioulsy you dont know much about geography.

Sure I do, are you saying it wouldnt be cheaper to truck in some soil/sand than spend ten mill on the other stuff?