Big Brown

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

If Big Brown wins today and BCC, is he HOY? If so, who would win Eclipse?

not necessarily.
well...then again, yeah he probably would when you consider who does most of the voting for the eclipse-many voters only pay attention twice a year, and big brown won the derby, so if he was to win the bcc, yeah he probably would get it.

i just don't see zenyatta getting it if big brown loses-not unless she contests the classic. the distaff is on friday now, not much coverage-most eclipse voters probably haven't heard of her, but have heard of curlin.

and that's the #1 problem with eclipse awards-the way they go about awarding them.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not necessarily.
well...then again, yeah he probably would when you consider who does most of the voting for the eclipse-many voters only pay attention twice a year, and big brown won the derby, so if he was to win the bcc, yeah he probably would get it.

i just don't see zenyatta getting it if big brown loses-not unless she contests the classic. the distaff is on friday now, not much coverage-most eclipse voters probably haven't heard of her, but have heard of curlin.

and that's the #1 problem with eclipse awards-the way they go about awarding them.

OK let's forget about HOY for a moment. Is Big Brown a lock for Eclipse even if he doesn't win today or BCC. Please tell me he is a lock. Four Grade 1 Stakes wins including KD and Preakness.

My argument here is Afleet Alex (one of my top 3 All Time favorites) won the Eclipse. Hasn't Big Brown at least equaled that resume?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

OK let's forget about HOY for a moment. Is Big Brown a lock for Eclipse even if he doesn't win today or BCC. Please tell me he is a lock. Four Grade 1 Stakes wins including KD and Preakness.

My argument here is Afleet Alex (one of my top 3 All Time favorites) won the Eclipse. Hasn't Big Brown at least equaled that resume?

he'll most likely get the eclipse for three year old. but keep in mind a horse wins that every year, it doesn't mean they are deserving of special praise. certainly afleet alex deserved it that year. doesn't mean he was anything particularly special-same with big brown.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by Danzig

he'll most likely get the eclipse for three year old. but keep in mind a horse wins that every year, it doesn't mean they are deserving of special praise. certainly afleet alex deserved it that year. doesn't mean he was anything particularly special-same with big brown.

Now I'm going to shift gears yet again. Nobody will convince me to not bet on Big Brown to win today. So since I am so stubborn, (based on only liking him) if money weren't an object, do you think my best bet in that scenario is to key him at the top of a trifecta with every other horse in the race? I think I would win more than betting him across the Board (provided he does indeed win).

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Now I'm going to shift gears yet again. Nobody will convince me to not bet on Big Brown to win today. So since I am so stubborn, (based on only liking him) if money weren't an object, do you think my best bet in that scenario is to key him at the top of a trifecta with every other horse in the race? I think I would win more than betting him across the Board (provided he does indeed win).

so why ask?
some people do across the board bets, others don't care for them. if you're that convinced he'd win, like dahoss said, build a multi-race bet around him as your lone single-altho if there was a day to look to bet against, today is it. he's in deeper today than ever, and his last few to many eyes is nothing like what he ran early in the spring. so if he's on a downhill cycle, or a flat one, he's really up against it today.

as for your tri, i'd imagine anyone who is infatuated with big brown would do the same bb/all/all as you, so i don't see it really paying off for you.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Who cares who wins the eclipse? As a fan of the horse do you get something special if he wins?

If you are determined to bet him, use him in multirace plays. Pick3 or pick 4 if it's offered. Single him and try and catch a price, it's the only way to make any money on him IMO. But, I would suggest just watching the race. You seem to have elevated him to some kind of iconic status in your mind. So, if he wins, I'm sure you're going to be happier than Sumitas at the breeding shed. And if he loses, at least you haven't pissed away your money on a bad favorite.

i don't know why people get so involved with it-a discussion is one thing, repeated posts stating a position on it is another. getting hot under the collar about it is another.