9/12: Belmont ($608k Triple C/O)

[blackthroatedwind]

What am I missing about Zipolina other than people's fascination with taking massively underlaid odds on every horse Linda Rice runs in a turf sprint ( I understand....this saves the trouble of trying to handicap ). This horse debuted in a distance turf race, showed absolutely no speed there, and is now cutting back to six furlongs. Combine that with the fact that the horse did next to no running and please explain to me why the horse shouldn't be 15:1 here?

[the_fat_man]

Beautiful handling of this horse by Garcia last out. (And his ride on Sweet Bama Breeze yesterday should be used in a tripping instructional video.) I was probably his worst critic last year but this kid is clearly the best jock in NY right now.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Beautiful handling of this horse by Garcia last out. (And his ride on Sweet Bama Breeze yesterday should be used in a tripping instructional video.) I was probably his worst critic last year but this kid is clearly the best jock in NY right now.

I agree he's certainly in the top 3, he's made a believer out of me this year. He's hungry and he makes alot of good decisions out on the track. His ride on Visionaire on Travers day was one of the better rides I recall this year.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

I agree he's certainly in the top 3, he's made a believer out of me this year. He's hungry and he makes alot of good decisions out on the track. His ride on Visionaire on Travers day was one of the better rides I recall this year.

I've heard this before and I still don't get it. He's on a horse who's an obvious one-run deep closer at less than a mile, and there's a six-horse duel for the lead.. Does it take a genius to realize not to send before the three-eighths pole? He also went very wide (as was his only option) and Visionaire ate up the sauteed frontrunners. What about his ride could any of the other Top 25 jocks in the country not have done?

I'm not disagreeing that the guy can ride, but I don't understand the lavish praise for this ride in particular.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I've heard this before and I still don't get it. He's on a horse who's an obvious one-run deep closer at less than a mile, and there's a six-horse duel for the lead.. Does it take a genius to realize not to send before the three-eighths pole? He also went very wide (as was his only option) and Visionaire ate up the sauteed frontrunners. What about his ride could any of the other Top 25 jocks in the country not have done?

I'm not disagreeing that the guy can ride, but I don't understand the lavish praise for this ride in particular.

Are you sure 25 other jocks could do that under the circumstances? I'm not.

It's not praise for Garcia...just complete disdain for the current jockey colony.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Are you sure 25 other jocks could do that under the circumstances? I'm not.

It's not praise for Garcia...just complete disdain for the current jockey colony.

I hear what you're saying, I'm just perplexed.

There was one way he could've possibly ridden the horse, he rode him that way, and got lucky that there was a suicidal pace duel. How does that make it one of the 'best rides of the year'?

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I hear what you're saying, I'm just perplexed.

There was one way he could've possibly ridden the horse, he rode him that way, and got lucky that there was a suicidal pace duel. How does that make it one of the 'best rides of the year'?

I agree. He should've left it with 'Visionaire is the luckiest horse of the year'.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I've heard this before and I still don't get it. He's on a horse who's an obvious one-run deep closer at less than a mile, and there's a six-horse duel for the lead.. Does it take a genius to realize not to send before the three-eighths pole? He also went very wide (as was his only option) and Visionaire ate up the sauteed frontrunners. What about his ride could any of the other Top 25 jocks in the country not have done?

I'm not disagreeing that the guy can ride, but I don't understand the lavish praise for this ride in particular.

I understand what you are saying and I don't completely disagree, however in a day where I've witnessed so many riders making premature early moves of late, it was "pleasant" to actually see a rider get it right for a change. I don't think it's a coincidence that Visonaire is 2 for 2 in his last 2 with Garcia up, though I will be the 1st to also admit shortening up was also a major factor for this.

[TheSpyder]

Race 5: Exton...In a field with no stand outs can;t see why this one can't be there. Especially at 35/1

$5W/P

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Beautiful handling of this horse by Garcia last out. (And his ride on Sweet Bama Breeze yesterday should be used in a tripping instructional video.) I was probably his worst critic last year but this kid is clearly the best jock in NY right now.

agreed..

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What am I missing about Zipolina other than people's fascination with taking massively underlaid odds on every horse Linda Rice runs in a turf sprint ( I understand....this saves the trouble of trying to handicap ). This horse debuted in a distance turf race, showed absolutely no speed there, and is now cutting back to six furlongs. Combine that with the fact that the horse did next to no running and please explain to me why the horse shouldn't be 15:1 here?

Handicap what? What is there to "handicap" in the 4th if Albertrani has scratched the entry? There's the T2D Robbins' homebred turning back for Dutrow.. The rest is guess work with 6 firsters. Zipolina made up some ground into the slow pace last, turns back and adds blinkers. Her sib by Gulch, though a career stiff (1 for 27; 13x ITM), was relatively fast sprinting at 2. And you do get Rice's Hook and Ladder debuter with Zipolina.

What else do we have exactly? The firsters... Carnita looks OK for Levine... The 2 Prime Timbers are whatever they are, but as a sire he only gets firsters ITM <30%.. Tagg's During might be all right.. Donk slipped Spina in at SAR at 17-1 giving pause for Paraiba.. Schettino's only debuting success seems to comes at low, low prices.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Handicap what? What is there to "handicap" in the 4th if Albertrani has scratched the entry? There's the T2D Robbins' homebred turning back for Dutrow.. The rest is guess work with 6 firsters. Zipolina made up some ground into the slow pace last, turns back and adds blinkers. Her sib by Gulch, though a career stiff (1 for 27; 13x ITM), was relatively fast sprinting at 2. And you do get Rice's Hook and Ladder debuter with Zipolina.

What else do we have exactly? The firsters... Carnita looks OK for Levine... The 2 Prime Timbers are whatever they are, but as a sire he only gets firsters ITM <30%.. Tagg's During might be all right.. Donk slipped Spina in at SAR at 17-1 giving pause for Paraiba.. Schettino's only debuting success seems to comes at low, low prices.

agreed x 2

[PSH]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What am I missing about Zipolina other than people's fascination with taking massively underlaid odds on every horse Linda Rice runs in a turf sprint ( I understand....this saves the trouble of trying to handicap ). This horse debuted in a distance turf race, showed absolutely no speed there, and is now cutting back to six furlongs. Combine that with the fact that the horse did next to no running and please explain to me why the horse shouldn't be 15:1 here?

Agree about Zipolina but the entrymate (Hook and Ladder - Andover Square) cost $55,000 at the OBS April 2YO sale (nothing special about that) but worked out in a fairly quick 21.3 seconds under tack. However, works for debut are fairly slow also.... Anyway, i like the entrymate more than Zipolina but not enough for a single...

PSH

I like Loaves and Dishes in the opener.