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Old 09-10-2008, 09:27 PM
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All i know is the 7th is impossible..
joey see who classick impact ran 2nd to 1 back...
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:39 PM
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Isn't there a horse in the 7th that has run at least decently against significantly better company?
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:48 PM
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the 7 has that as far as i can tell /the 3 used to
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:50 PM
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So what's wrong with Millenium Jet then?
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:58 PM
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And, let me add, I think watching the replay of his last race is a good idea.
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Old 09-10-2008, 10:21 PM
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And, let me add, I think watching the replay of his last race is a good idea.
Complicating matters is that his chart running line (the penultimate call) is probably wrong. But I wonder why you like a horse that just couldn't finish well in a race where no less than 6 horses were gaining significantly in the last call of a race that just barely missed completely falling apart?

And, Luzzi is at the top of my list of jocks I won't bet unless they're guaranteed an "idiot proof" trip.
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Old 09-10-2008, 10:30 PM
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Complicating matters is that his chart running line (the penultimate call) is probably wrong. But I wonder why you like a horse that just couldn't finish well in a race where no less than 6 horses were gaining significantly in the last call of a race that just barely missed completely falling apart?

And, Luzzi is at the top of my list of jocks I won't bet unless they're guaranteed an "idiot proof" trip.

I completely agree that the race four back complicates matters for me. I can't argue with you if you suggest that day was the ultimate test for him in that it was a race he was handed ( his loss that day cost me the Pick-6 ) and couldn't win. However, isn't it fair to say that he has improved a bit since then? I can see that he has had reasonably soft trips in his two and three back races but weren't those significantly better fields than this one?

His 1 for 14 record is theoretically a problem but the rest are right there with him and I can't make a case for any of them. I can make a mild case for a bunch of them.....but I still think Millenium Jet may be better.
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Old 09-10-2008, 10:17 PM
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So what's wrong with Millenium Jet then?
nothing really..if the 2 decides to like the turf..he can go and make such a lead that he wont get caught..the 3 has great trainer moves the 6 can press and get lucky.the 10 also ..tough race..
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Old 09-11-2008, 12:10 AM
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So what's wrong with Millenium Jet then?
I actually agree with you, his last two races were good considering circumstances and if I had to pick one horse, it'd probably be him. I just would hate to be leaning on a horse that's still winless on the grass after 11 tries.
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:04 AM
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I actually agree with you, his last two races were good considering circumstances and if I had to pick one horse, it'd probably be him. I just would hate to be leaning on a horse that's still winless on the grass after 11 tries.

I don't disagree. If I played the Pick-6 for reasonably small money, as I think it's somewhat managable, I would single him. However, I don't trust him either. He's got a little of that fool's gold feel to him.
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:28 AM
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How come noone has mentioned Munition? I'm willing to toss the last 2 races (his last was first off a 8 month layoff and his prior was over the Aqu Inner) and prior to those he has run a few races good enough to compete with these.

This race is beyond dreadful.
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Old 09-11-2008, 08:40 AM
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joey see who classick impact ran 2nd to 1 back...

Matt....Kettle Two couldn't have gotten a better trip yesterday. Once Edgar tipped out on Cardinal Hill, the rail opened right up for Channing and took advantage. I needed Triple Bogey Blues for a nice score yesterday. As a matter of fact, both of Channing's wins yesterday cost me big time. Corny on Estimator was sitting on alot of horse behind a wall of horses with nowhere to go but widest of all...and then to lose by 1/2 neck
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:08 AM
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Matt....Kettle Two couldn't have gotten a better trip yesterday. Once Edgar tipped out on Cardinal Hill, the rail opened right up for Channing and took advantage. I needed Triple Bogey Blues for a nice score yesterday. As a matter of fact, both of Channing's wins yesterday cost me big time. Corny on Estimator was sitting on alot of horse behind a wall of horses with nowhere to go but widest of all...and then to lose by 1/2 neck
he did have a good trip .due to some nice planning on c hills part..imo..but he also had a nice burst of speed..and he takes the mount..in the end the 3/6/ and if no huge trouble andys 7 should be around.late
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:18 AM
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he did have a good trip .due to some nice planning on c hills part..imo..but he also had a nice burst of speed..and he takes the mount..in the end the 3/6/ and if no huge trouble andys 7 should be around.late

Good luck Bro. Depending on scratches, the 9 horse looks to get most of my $$
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:29 AM
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I think the single in here is in the last race, Better than Swiss. Troubled start last time but rallied strongly, and the only one that seems to be on the same talent level is the hanger Sweet Bama Breeze.
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Old 09-11-2008, 11:43 AM
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you may be right phil..but id hate to get that far and be singled..as its happend to me before....the 7/3/ look good..the 8/6 look sneeky..good luck to all today
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Old 09-11-2008, 11:49 AM
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you may be right phil..but id hate to get that far and be singled..as its happend to me before....the 7/3/ look good..the 8/6 look sneeky..good luck to all today
yeah it sucks singling the last, but its just as painful losing the first leg. haha
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Old 09-11-2008, 01:33 PM
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you may be right phil..but id hate to get that far and be singled..as its happend to me before....the 7/3/ look good..the 8/6 look sneeky..good luck to all today
I never worry about what race my singles are in. If the last race contains your best single possibility, so be it.

I cringe when friends tell me they are singling early so they can be deep late.
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Old 09-11-2008, 12:39 PM
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I think the single in here is in the last race, Better than Swiss. Troubled start last time but rallied strongly, and the only one that seems to be on the same talent level is the hanger Sweet Bama Breeze.
I like Better Than Swiss a lot as well, and considered singling her, but would probably use Intoxicatingbeauty in some capacity as well. She had no chance in her last after stumbling at the break and trailing behind a very average pace, but still ran on decently to be third. Better Than Swiss, though also having trouble at the start last out, at least had some pace to run into. BTS is my 'A', but I might make Intoxicatingbeauty a 'B'. Hopefully with the two snappy three-furlong breezes, Corny can keep her in striking distance today.
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Old 09-11-2008, 12:42 PM
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only $1890 the old fashioned way---

4) 7
5) 1-2-3-5-6-7-8
6) 1-2-3-5-8
7) 5-7-10
8) 2-6-8
9) 3-4-7

please let me get past 1st leg!
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