what a sharpie

ArlJim78 · #1 09-10-2008, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Come on man. You're a lot smarter than this. It has nothing to do with Palin. It's a figure of speech. Only people that view Palin as a pig will take like that. Wait....

you're so wrong, it doesn't matter if its a figure of speech, it has a different context at the moment that anyone can understand, I'm sure you got it.
the only thing it does is take him further off his message, he'll be responding tomorrow all day long in the news cycle to this comment, all his talking heads will be deflecting it in the media. it simply did not look presidential and showed horrible judgement. no one believes me but this is total amatuer hour and he is in freefall and if he is not careful this race could be all over but the shouting way earlier than even I predicted.

dalakhani · #2 09-10-2008, 01:38 AM

Wager?

Danzig · #3 09-10-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you're so wrong, it doesn't matter if its a figure of speech, it has a different context at the moment that anyone can understand, I'm sure you got it.
the only thing it does is take him further off his message, he'll be responding tomorrow all day long in the news cycle to this comment, all his talking heads will be deflecting it in the media. it simply did not look presidential and showed horrible judgement. no one believes me but this is total amatuer hour and he is in freefall and if he is not careful this race could be all over but the shouting way earlier than even I predicted.

you may be right that this issue will take everyone off the topic at hand. my homepage is set up with, among other things, links to ap news. only three links, but guess what one of them was this morning? when i saw your post, i went back to get that link, and read the story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26630854/

ateamstupid · #4 09-10-2008, 08:43 AM

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no one believes me but

For some reason I feel like a lot of your sentences in future political discussions will start like this.

ArlJim78 · #5 09-10-2008, 08:54 AM

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For some reason I feel like a lot of your sentences in future political discussions will start like this.

is that all you have, a not so deft change of topic?

geeker2 · #6 09-10-2008, 09:09 AM

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is that all you have, a not so deft change of topic?

Interesting all the talk this AM is about the pig comment. Things like this tend to stick - even though he may not have planned it...the perception of what he said will remain with many.

You can't make these gaff's at this point in the process - rookie mistake.

GPK · #7 09-10-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2

Interesting all the talk this AM is about the pig comment. Things like this tend to stick - even though he may not have planned it...the perception of what he said will remain with many.

You can't make these gaff's at this point in the process - rookie mistake.

IMO, here is the deal. He was in Lebanon, VA when he made this comment. Residents of this portion of Southwest VA have been talking in this type of lingo for years. When I read about his visit in the local paper this morning, I viewed more as an attempt by Obama to try and connect with the people of the area as opposed to a cheap shot at Palin.

Just my 2 Abe's

geeker2 · #8 09-10-2008, 09:23 AM

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IMO, here is the deal. He was in Lebanon, VA when he made this comment. Residents of this portion of Southwest VA have been talking in this type of lingo for years. When I read about his visit in the local paper this morning, I viewed more as an attempt by Obama to try and connect with the people of the area as opposed to a cheap shot at Palin.

Just my 2 Abe's

Yeah..no way he would be stupid enough to do this..it may energize the Palin haters - but he is going to get their votes anyway....and a comment like this is not going to sway the middle of the roaders.

He'll recover from this - but a gaff like this 1 week before Election Day would be a death-blow.

TheSpyder · #9 09-10-2008, 09:31 AM

Boy, this is from deep left field...or would that be right field:

http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html

Also, Palin's biggest problem is she sounds earily like someone from Saturday Night Live. I keep thinking I'm hearing a skit about politics.

ateamstupid · #10 09-10-2008, 09:20 AM

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is that all you have, a not so deft change of topic?

LOL @ someone who'd rather talk about supposed gaffes than issues saying all I have is topic changing.

That's all your crew does is change topics, somehow getting the American people to care about stupid **** like comments about pigs instead of the issues.

dalakhani · #11 09-10-2008, 09:29 AM

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LOL @ someone who'd rather talk about supposed gaffes than issues saying all I have is topic changing.

That's all your crew does is change topics, somehow getting the American people to care about stupid **** like comments about pigs instead of the issues.

karl Rove is going to go down some day as the greatest spin doctor of all time. The fact that he could sell Bush as some sort of military leader against a guy who actually served in combat is amazing. Now, they are actually selling McCain as some sort of "agent of change" LOL. Amazing.

And this forum is proof that there are people out there that actually bite on it.

Rove's confidence in the average man's supidity is justified i would say.

Danzig · #12 09-10-2008, 09:32 AM

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karl Rove is going to go down some day as the greatest spin doctor of all time. The fact that he could sell Bush as some sort of military leader against a guy who actually served in combat is amazing. Now, they are actually selling McCain as some sort of "agent of change" LOL. Amazing.

And this forum is proof that there are people out there that actually bite on it.

Rove's confidence in the average man's supidity is justified i would say.

worked with clinton vs dole.

dalakhani · #13 09-10-2008, 09:35 AM

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worked with clinton vs dole.

Thats news. Did they sell Clinton as a military leader and discredit Dole's service?

SCUDSBROTHER · #14 09-10-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

karl Rove is going to go down some day as the greatest spin doctor of all time. The fact that he could sell Bush as some sort of military leader against a guy who actually served in combat is amazing. Now, they are actually selling McCain as some sort of "agent of change" LOL. Amazing.

And this forum is proof that there are people out there that actually bite on it.

Rove's confidence in the average man's supidity is justified i would say.

The only people that are gunna "bite on it" are people who already like or dislike the parties involved. Nobody that's "undecided" is gunna give a damn about this folksy metaphor. It's annoying to them(that people try to pick words apart etc.,) but, in the end, it doesn't make any difference. It only makes a difference to those looking to sway the undecided. Like ARLJIM. He seemed to feel good about it, but I don't think the undecided care about this stuff. They might care about the fact somebody has phoney outrage etc., but I doubt that, too. Now, if they bring out dates with white women, then that may work.

ateamstupid · #15 09-10-2008, 12:59 PM

Obama's response was beautiful:

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“Enough! I don’t care what they say about me. But I love this country too much to let them (Republicans) take over another election with lies and phony outrage and Swift Boat politics. Enough is enough.”

“What their campaign has done this morning is the same game that has made people sick and tired of politics in this country,” Obama said on Wednesday. “They seize on an innocent remark, try to take it out of context, throw up an outrageous ad, because they know that it’s catnip to the news media.”

“These are serious times. And they call for a serious debate about where we need to take the nation.”

“So spare me the phony outrage,” Obama said. “We have real problems in this country right now. And the American people are looking to us for answers, not distractions, not diversions, not manipulations. They want real answers to the real problems that we are facing. That’s the kind of debate that I intend to have, because that’s the kind of debate that the American people deserve.”

geeker2 · #16 09-10-2008, 01:08 PM

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The only people that are gunna "bite on it" are people who already like or dislike the parties involved. Nobody that's "undecided" is gunna give a damn about this folksy metaphor. It's annoying to them(that people try to pick words apart etc.,) but, in the end, it doesn't make any difference. It only makes a difference to those looking to sway the undecided. Like ARLJIM. He seemed to feel good about it, but I don't think the undecided care about this stuff. They might care about the fact somebody has phoney outrage etc., but I doubt that, too. Now, if they bring out dates with white women, then that may work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-I...eature=related

SCUDSBROTHER · #17 09-10-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This is the swift boat stuff Part Deux.

It's dirty, it was expected, but like McCain's choice of Palin, stinks of desperation. Amateur hour is acting and making this a big deal. So now that we've resorted to yet another election like this, I can only imagine what else the good ol' boys have up their sleeve.

Bring out the dates with White Women. That's gunna be what they use if they starting getting behind, and need a miracle.

SCUDSBROTHER · #18 09-10-2008, 01:03 PM

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I'm just surprised that seemingly intelligent people not only view this as something important, but also don't see it for what it really is.

It's late in the process. They are starting to really pick at each other now. Just be glad that EX-SENATOR GEORGE guy isn't involved. That guy did some weird stuff in the 70's. I can't believe somebody knew he did that stuff, and waited that many years to cough it up.

dalakhani · #19 09-10-2008, 01:12 PM

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I'm just surprised that seemingly intelligent people not only view this as something important, but also don't see it for what it really is.

operative word

ArlJim78 · #20 09-10-2008, 01:59 PM

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This is the swift boat stuff Part Deux.

It's dirty, it was expected, but like McCain's choice of Palin, stinks of desperation. Amateur hour is acting like and making it a big deal. So now that we've resorted to yet another election like this, I can only imagine what else the good ol' boys have up their sleeve.

how did the good ole boys get Obama to use a dumb punchline that referenced a pig with lipstick and and old rotting fish when talking about what he claims are the stale policies of his opponents Palin and McCain? why would a presidential candidate use a line like that? even if you buy into the fact that it was an innocent oversight and no double entendre was to be inferred (which I don't buy for a minute because they are certainly not that stupid), isn't there a better way to make your point and not have that point totally lost in the clamor over the remark?

secondly, do you think for one minute that the first time Palin makes a mistake or gaffe, innocent or not, that it won't be pounced on within minutes by team Obama, in an effort to score points? if you don't then I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you.