what a sharpie

ArlJim78 · #1 09-09-2008, 10:39 PM

mr. smooth put his foot in his mouth again today, with a reference to "putting lipstick on a pig". He will deny it had anything to do with Palin, but whatever he says the audience got it and so will everyone else.

For a guy that ran a great primary campaign, he has turned into a walking disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd4yk0x-eg

ArlJim78 · #2 09-10-2008, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Come on man. You're a lot smarter than this. It has nothing to do with Palin. It's a figure of speech. Only people that view Palin as a pig will take like that. Wait....

you're so wrong, it doesn't matter if its a figure of speech, it has a different context at the moment that anyone can understand, I'm sure you got it.
the only thing it does is take him further off his message, he'll be responding tomorrow all day long in the news cycle to this comment, all his talking heads will be deflecting it in the media. it simply did not look presidential and showed horrible judgement. no one believes me but this is total amatuer hour and he is in freefall and if he is not careful this race could be all over but the shouting way earlier than even I predicted.

dalakhani · #3 09-10-2008, 12:38 AM

Wager?

Danzig · #4 09-10-2008, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you're so wrong, it doesn't matter if its a figure of speech, it has a different context at the moment that anyone can understand, I'm sure you got it.
the only thing it does is take him further off his message, he'll be responding tomorrow all day long in the news cycle to this comment, all his talking heads will be deflecting it in the media. it simply did not look presidential and showed horrible judgement. no one believes me but this is total amatuer hour and he is in freefall and if he is not careful this race could be all over but the shouting way earlier than even I predicted.

you may be right that this issue will take everyone off the topic at hand. my homepage is set up with, among other things, links to ap news. only three links, but guess what one of them was this morning? when i saw your post, i went back to get that link, and read the story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26630854/

ateamstupid · #5 09-10-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

no one believes me but

For some reason I feel like a lot of your sentences in future political discussions will start like this.

ArlJim78 · #6 09-10-2008, 07:54 AM

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For some reason I feel like a lot of your sentences in future political discussions will start like this.

is that all you have, a not so deft change of topic?

geeker2 · #7 09-10-2008, 08:09 AM

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is that all you have, a not so deft change of topic?

Interesting all the talk this AM is about the pig comment. Things like this tend to stick - even though he may not have planned it...the perception of what he said will remain with many.

You can't make these gaff's at this point in the process - rookie mistake.

GPK · #8 09-10-2008, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2

Interesting all the talk this AM is about the pig comment. Things like this tend to stick - even though he may not have planned it...the perception of what he said will remain with many.

You can't make these gaff's at this point in the process - rookie mistake.

IMO, here is the deal. He was in Lebanon, VA when he made this comment. Residents of this portion of Southwest VA have been talking in this type of lingo for years. When I read about his visit in the local paper this morning, I viewed more as an attempt by Obama to try and connect with the people of the area as opposed to a cheap shot at Palin.

Just my 2 Abe's

geeker2 · #9 09-10-2008, 08:23 AM

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IMO, here is the deal. He was in Lebanon, VA when he made this comment. Residents of this portion of Southwest VA have been talking in this type of lingo for years. When I read about his visit in the local paper this morning, I viewed more as an attempt by Obama to try and connect with the people of the area as opposed to a cheap shot at Palin.

Just my 2 Abe's

Yeah..no way he would be stupid enough to do this..it may energize the Palin haters - but he is going to get their votes anyway....and a comment like this is not going to sway the middle of the roaders.

He'll recover from this - but a gaff like this 1 week before Election Day would be a death-blow.

ateamstupid · #10 09-10-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

is that all you have, a not so deft change of topic?

LOL @ someone who'd rather talk about supposed gaffes than issues saying all I have is topic changing.

That's all your crew does is change topics, somehow getting the American people to care about stupid **** like comments about pigs instead of the issues.

dalakhani · #11 09-10-2008, 08:29 AM

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LOL @ someone who'd rather talk about supposed gaffes than issues saying all I have is topic changing.

That's all your crew does is change topics, somehow getting the American people to care about stupid **** like comments about pigs instead of the issues.

karl Rove is going to go down some day as the greatest spin doctor of all time. The fact that he could sell Bush as some sort of military leader against a guy who actually served in combat is amazing. Now, they are actually selling McCain as some sort of "agent of change" LOL. Amazing.

And this forum is proof that there are people out there that actually bite on it.

Rove's confidence in the average man's supidity is justified i would say.

Danzig · #12 09-10-2008, 08:32 AM

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karl Rove is going to go down some day as the greatest spin doctor of all time. The fact that he could sell Bush as some sort of military leader against a guy who actually served in combat is amazing. Now, they are actually selling McCain as some sort of "agent of change" LOL. Amazing.

And this forum is proof that there are people out there that actually bite on it.

Rove's confidence in the average man's supidity is justified i would say.

worked with clinton vs dole.

SCUDSBROTHER · #13 09-10-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

karl Rove is going to go down some day as the greatest spin doctor of all time. The fact that he could sell Bush as some sort of military leader against a guy who actually served in combat is amazing. Now, they are actually selling McCain as some sort of "agent of change" LOL. Amazing.

And this forum is proof that there are people out there that actually bite on it.

Rove's confidence in the average man's supidity is justified i would say.

The only people that are gunna "bite on it" are people who already like or dislike the parties involved. Nobody that's "undecided" is gunna give a damn about this folksy metaphor. It's annoying to them(that people try to pick words apart etc.,) but, in the end, it doesn't make any difference. It only makes a difference to those looking to sway the undecided. Like ARLJIM. He seemed to feel good about it, but I don't think the undecided care about this stuff. They might care about the fact somebody has phoney outrage etc., but I doubt that, too. Now, if they bring out dates with white women, then that may work.

SCUDSBROTHER · #14 09-10-2008, 11:41 AM

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This is the swift boat stuff Part Deux.

It's dirty, it was expected, but like McCain's choice of Palin, stinks of desperation. Amateur hour is acting and making this a big deal. So now that we've resorted to yet another election like this, I can only imagine what else the good ol' boys have up their sleeve.

Bring out the dates with White Women. That's gunna be what they use if they starting getting behind, and need a miracle.

SCUDSBROTHER · #15 09-10-2008, 12:03 PM

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I'm just surprised that seemingly intelligent people not only view this as something important, but also don't see it for what it really is.

It's late in the process. They are starting to really pick at each other now. Just be glad that EX-SENATOR GEORGE guy isn't involved. That guy did some weird stuff in the 70's. I can't believe somebody knew he did that stuff, and waited that many years to cough it up.

dalakhani · #16 09-10-2008, 12:12 PM

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I'm just surprised that seemingly intelligent people not only view this as something important, but also don't see it for what it really is.

operative word

ArlJim78 · #17 09-10-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This is the swift boat stuff Part Deux.

It's dirty, it was expected, but like McCain's choice of Palin, stinks of desperation. Amateur hour is acting like and making it a big deal. So now that we've resorted to yet another election like this, I can only imagine what else the good ol' boys have up their sleeve.

how did the good ole boys get Obama to use a dumb punchline that referenced a pig with lipstick and and old rotting fish when talking about what he claims are the stale policies of his opponents Palin and McCain? why would a presidential candidate use a line like that? even if you buy into the fact that it was an innocent oversight and no double entendre was to be inferred (which I don't buy for a minute because they are certainly not that stupid), isn't there a better way to make your point and not have that point totally lost in the clamor over the remark?

secondly, do you think for one minute that the first time Palin makes a mistake or gaffe, innocent or not, that it won't be pounced on within minutes by team Obama, in an effort to score points? if you don't then I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you.

SCUDSBROTHER · #18 09-10-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

how did the good ole boys get Obama to use a dumb punchline that referenced a pig with lipstick and and old rotting fish when talking about what he claims are the stale policies of his opponents Palin and McCain? why would a presidential candidate use a line like that? even if you buy into the fact that it was an innocent oversight and no double entendre was to be inferred (which I don't buy for a minute because they are certainly not that stupid), isn't there a better way to make your point and not have that point totally lost in the clamor over the remark?

secondly, do you think for one minute that the first time Palin makes a mistake or gaffe, innocent or not, that it won't be pounced on within minutes by team Obama, in an effort to score points? if you don't then I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you.

This was not a mistake, or "innocent oversight." He actually was communicating perfectly here. That's what he thinks about McCain's Economic plan. He thinks it's a slightly enhanced version of the last 8 years(Pig with Lipstick.)

ArlJim78 · #19 09-10-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This was not a mistake, or "innocent oversight." He actually was communicating perfectly here. That's what he thinks about McCain's Economic plan. He thinks it's a slightly enhanced version of the last 8 years(Pig with Lipstick.)

yeah I get that, but if he was smart he wouldn't have used the line in the current context because Palin has been using the lipstick on a pitbull line on a daily basis for over a week and it invited an immediate comparison. you don't win elections by making so many unforced errors.

actually he is now using cartoon writers for his material. he stole the previous line, the one before his lipstick on a pig line, from a cartoon.

http://wizbangblog.com/

The Indomitable DrugS · #20 09-10-2008, 01:43 PM

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how did the good ole boys get Obama to use a dumb punchline that referenced a pig with lipstick and and old rotting fish

You can put lipstick on a dog's a$$hole - but it's still an ArlJim political post.

You can wrap a dead buzzard in paper - but it still stinks like an ArlJim political post that was submitted by Balletto's taint.