what a sharpie

ArlJim78 · #1 09-09-2008, 09:07 PM

speaking of scary, if anyone is interested in knowing what it really means to be a community organizer in Chicago.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melanieph...lieve-in.thtml

ateamstupid · #2 09-09-2008, 09:12 PM

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speaking of scary, if anyone is interested in knowing what it really means to be a community organizer in Chicago.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melanieph...lieve-in.thtml

You can't honestly believe a word of this ridiculousness.

ArlJim78 · #3 09-09-2008, 09:22 PM

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You can't honestly believe a word of this ridiculousness.

open your eyes. his connection to the radical left are not even debatable. he was groomed in that environment.

ateamstupid · #4 09-09-2008, 09:47 PM

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open your eyes. his connection to the radical left are not even debatable. he was groomed in that environment.

You're right, he's a secret Muslim member of the Weather Underground who's running for president only to make the country his personal ultra-liberal petri dish. Oh and he wants to exterminate white people. How could I have been so blind.

Cannon Shell · #5 09-09-2008, 09:50 PM

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You're right, he's a secret Muslim member of the Weather Underground who's running for president only to make the country his personal ultra-liberal petri dish. Oh and he wants to exterminate white people. How could I have been so blind.

You have any journalism classes this year?

ArlJim78 · #6 09-09-2008, 09:55 PM

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You're right, he's a secret Muslim member of the Weather Underground who's running for president only to make the country his personal ultra-liberal petri dish. Oh and he wants to exterminate white people. How could I have been so blind.

you might want to occaisonally take issues a little more seriously.

20 years ago, anyone with those connections would have been laughed off the stage, early on in the primary and had no chance at a major party nomination.

ArlJim78 · #7 09-09-2008, 09:40 PM

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Jim, how many pictures of Reagan are up in your house? I'm setting the over/under at 2.

And while it's obvious we see the world different, things like teaching creationism in school and trying to convert gays to straight through religion is batshit crazy.

haha, no pictures of Reagan. but he was a great president.

for the social issues, I'm sure you're referring to Palin, but where did you get your info? she has not pushed to have creationism taught in schools.

ArlJim78 · #8 09-09-2008, 09:48 PM

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I get it from blogs on the intranet and CNN. This is wrong?

She's a religious nut, plain and simple. No place for that being a heartbeat away from leading the country.

they're throwing everything against the wall to see what will stick. there is nothing to suggest she's a nut.

from factcheck

"Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

#9 09-09-2008, 09:52 PM

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they're throwing everything against the wall to see what will stick. there is nothing to suggest she's a nut.

from factcheck

"Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

debate this in a Science classroom.
No one has ever prohibited this debate in public schools, ever.
You just don't debate it in a Science classroom for terribly obvious reasons.

How many frikkn times does the Supreme Court have to take this up again...

ArlJim78 · #10 09-09-2008, 10:04 PM

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Isn't it obvious how she feels about creationism? Sorry, to me, thats nutty.

to me too, i'm an atheist! but to me its not anywhere near the most important aspect of what makes a good leader.

does Obamas church teach something other than creationism? or any other candidate past or present. how many come out and say I don't believe in creationism?

GPK · #11 09-09-2008, 10:12 PM

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Not many, which is a whole other issue. And Obama has his issues with Reverend Wright. I know. He isn't my ideal candidate, but to me, he's the lesser of two evils, which scares me.

I haven't decided who is the lesser of two evils yet, but it infuriates me to have to vote like that

#12 09-09-2008, 10:14 PM

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I haven't decided who is the lesser of two evils yet, but it infuriates me to have to vote like that

We have much better choices this election.
Much.

Danzig · #13 09-09-2008, 10:19 PM

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We have much better choices this election.
Much.

better than bush/gore, bush/kerry. but that's not saying much.

Danzig · #14 09-09-2008, 10:20 PM

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I haven't decided who is the lesser of two evils yet, but it infuriates me to have to vote like that

what is the saying kev...the lesser of two evils is still evil?

ArlJim78 · #15 09-09-2008, 10:39 PM

mr. smooth put his foot in his mouth again today, with a reference to "putting lipstick on a pig". He will deny it had anything to do with Palin, but whatever he says the audience got it and so will everyone else.

For a guy that ran a great primary campaign, he has turned into a walking disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd4yk0x-eg

Cannon Shell · #16 09-09-2008, 09:49 PM

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I get it from blogs on the intranet and CNN. This is wrong?

She's a religious nut, plain and simple. No place for that being a heartbeat away from leading the country.

Blogs and CNN are not exactly neutral sources

As for palin, what are the chances that McCain croaks? And even if he does how exactly can a Republican President (especially one not elected) get ultra right wing programs past a democratic congress? A VP basically goes into hiding the day after the election and anyone who thinks that McCain is going to allow Palin to be his Cheney obviously doesnt understand McCain. The whole one heart beat thing is so overblown.

ateamstupid · #17 09-09-2008, 09:54 PM

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Blogs and CNN are not exactly neutral sources

As for palin, what are the chances that McCain croaks? And even if he does how exactly can a Republican President (especially one not elected) get ultra right wing programs past a democratic congress? A VP basically goes into hiding the day after the election and anyone who thinks that McCain is going to allow Palin to be his Cheney obviously doesnt understand McCain. The whole one heart beat thing is so overblown.

Right-wing programs aside, I just think she's not very smart, and would have no idea what the hell to do, hence her platform pretty much being her as a 'hockey mom'.. Hockey mom, leader of the free world.. Same thing I guess.

Obama may lack 'executive experience', but at least he's obviously a bright guy and has laid out plans for when he takes office.

Cannon Shell · #18 09-09-2008, 10:08 PM

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Right-wing programs aside, I just think she's not very smart, and would have no idea what the hell to do, hence her platform pretty much being her as a 'hockey mom'.. Hockey mom, leader of the free world.. Same thing I guess.

Obama may lack 'executive experience', but at least he's obviously a bright guy and has laid out plans for when he takes office.

Does it matter that his "plans" rarely come with details or have a prayer of working? Democrat gods mr and mrs Clinton had a plan for healthcare when they were elected back when you were in 2nd grade and we are still waiting on the details of that. They are smart too.

ateamstupid · #19 09-09-2008, 10:38 PM

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Does it matter that his "plans" rarely come with details or have a prayer of working? Democrat gods mr and mrs Clinton had a plan for healthcare when they were elected back when you were in 2nd grade and we are still waiting on the details of that. They are smart too.

I'd say if Obama's administration approached Clinton's, we'd be in pretty decent shape. I'm too tired for this though, tell your old man I said hey.

Danzig · #20 09-09-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Blogs and CNN are not exactly neutral sources

As for palin, what are the chances that McCain croaks? And even if he does how exactly can a Republican President (especially one not elected) get ultra right wing programs past a democratic congress? A VP basically goes into hiding the day after the election and anyone who thinks that McCain is going to allow Palin to be his Cheney obviously doesnt understand McCain. The whole one heart beat thing is so overblown.

that's something i come back to btw. the dem congress vs a rep president. but then i see palin..and like i said before, certainly mccain isn't necessarily going to gasp his last while in office.
so, i'm still undecided--had he not chosen palin i probably wouldn't be, i admit that. i just think mccain is more centered than obama, and that appeals to me.
as you say, the vp doesn't matter usually.
and many of these issues we keep bringing up, the president actually has nothing to do with. it's the school boards who decide curriculum. yeah, palin is right wing, but she can't legislate we all learn creationism in science class. as for the supreme court, i don't see a republican getting an ultra right judge in there, he/she won't get approved by congress.
it didn't seem to work well for us with a rep president and a rep congress. would dems in charge of both work any better? i always thought one of each worked better.

still time tho to decide.