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Old 09-09-2008, 02:05 PM
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A politcian that DECEIVES AND LIES!?!?! I don't believe it
But thats a cop out. Why do we have to settle for that? If you have examples during this campaign where Obama is lying, lay them out. I would love to see them. Perhaps Im on the wrong horse.
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Old 09-09-2008, 02:20 PM
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But thats a cop out. Why do we have to settle for that? If you have examples during this campaign where Obama is lying, lay them out. I would love to see them. Perhaps Im on the wrong horse.

It would be a cop out only If I was 100% certain to be voting for McCain/Palin. I am still very undecided at this point. Although I am a registered Republican, I am a very moderate one. In my heart of hearts, I believe both parties (Rep and Dem in general, not the current candidates) bring positive things to the table. My biggest gripe and complaints are with politicians as a whole. It just seems increasingly with every passing election (not only nationwide, but on a state and local level as well) we as American citizens are forced over and over to vote for the "lesser of two evils" candidate. And frankly, that just sucks. I realize that not every feels the same way I do, but I assure you that I am not alone.
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Old 09-09-2008, 02:29 PM
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It would be a cop out only If I was 100% certain to be voting for McCain/Palin. I am still very undecided at this point. Although I am a registered Republican, I am a very moderate one. In my heart of hearts, I believe both parties (Rep and Dem in general, not the current candidates) bring positive things to the table. My biggest gripe and complaints are with politicians as a whole. It just seems increasingly with every passing election (not only nationwide, but on a state and local level as well) we as American citizens are forced over and over to vote for the "lesser of two evils" candidate. And frankly, that just sucks. I realize that not every feels the same way I do, but I assure you that I am not alone.

Bullsh^t..you are alone and I am sure I can find a poll somewhere that proves it

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Old 09-09-2008, 03:19 PM
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this news could be a crippling blow to the Obama candidacy.

"World wants Obama as president"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...?section=world
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Old 09-09-2008, 03:38 PM
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this news could be a crippling blow to the Obama candidacy.

"World wants Obama as president"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...?section=world

yes... the "World" wanted John Kerry too.... or 30 out of 35 countries asked... that worked well!
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Old 09-09-2008, 03:40 PM
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yes... the "World" wanted John Kerry too.... or 30 out of 35 countries asked... that worked well!
after the last four years, i think the world looks pretty right.
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Old 09-09-2008, 03:40 PM
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Geeker...get the fucl< out of here.

Franny wants you in the bush...I mean Garden.
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It would be a cop out only If I was 100% certain to be voting for McCain/Palin. I am still very undecided at this point. Although I am a registered Republican, I am a very moderate one.
You hit your head or something?
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Old 09-09-2008, 08:59 PM
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You hit your head or something?

Why is that? You so sure I was gonnna vote McCain/Palin?
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Old 09-09-2008, 04:59 PM
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I would definitely agree with your last part. While I am pretty decided I'll be voting for Obama, a lot can change. There are plenty of things about him and things he has done that I am not too happy with. It's funny, earlier today i was thinking about what I dislike about each candidate. There weren't many dislikes for McCain, but a giant one is having Palin as his VP. There also weren't many likes for him either other than his service record. Since Cannon is too Republican for me, I'd like to swap him with Morty and I think we should push forward with a Morty/GBBob ticket.
Morty is unelectable due to numerous improper internet liasons. I would actually prefer the military junta form of govt if Bob and I ran. Crime would surely drop and Canada would be nervous.
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:53 PM
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I would definitely agree with your last part. While I am pretty decided I'll be voting for Obama, a lot can change. There are plenty of things about him and things he has done that I am not too happy with. It's funny, earlier today i was thinking about what I dislike about each candidate. There weren't many dislikes for McCain, but a giant one is having Palin as his VP. There also weren't many likes for him either other than his service record. Since Cannon is too Republican for me, I'd like to swap him with Morty and I think we should push forward with a Morty/GBBob ticket.

i agree with that. mccain seems more center of the road, while obama is far left, too far to the left for me. but i'm seriously looking at him now, altho i suppose one could always vote for JM and hope like hell he lives four years-no guarantee of course, and i certainly am not wishing the guy ill....unlike certain folks regarding tom brady...at any rate, i don't like palin AT ALL. she's too far to the right.
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:07 PM
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speaking of scary, if anyone is interested in knowing what it really means to be a community organizer in Chicago.


http://www.spectator.co.uk/melanieph...lieve-in.thtml
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speaking of scary, if anyone is interested in knowing what it really means to be a community organizer in Chicago.


http://www.spectator.co.uk/melanieph...lieve-in.thtml
You can't honestly believe a word of this ridiculousness.
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:22 PM
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You can't honestly believe a word of this ridiculousness.
open your eyes. his connection to the radical left are not even debatable. he was groomed in that environment.
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:47 PM
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open your eyes. his connection to the radical left are not even debatable. he was groomed in that environment.
You're right, he's a secret Muslim member of the Weather Underground who's running for president only to make the country his personal ultra-liberal petri dish. Oh and he wants to exterminate white people. How could I have been so blind.
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:40 PM
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Jim, how many pictures of Reagan are up in your house? I'm setting the over/under at 2.

And while it's obvious we see the world different, things like teaching creationism in school and trying to convert gays to straight through religion is batshit crazy.
haha, no pictures of Reagan. but he was a great president.

for the social issues, I'm sure you're referring to Palin, but where did you get your info? she has not pushed to have creationism taught in schools.
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:48 PM
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I get it from blogs on the intranet and CNN. This is wrong?

She's a religious nut, plain and simple. No place for that being a heartbeat away from leading the country.
they're throwing everything against the wall to see what will stick. there is nothing to suggest she's a nut.

from factcheck

"Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:52 PM
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they're throwing everything against the wall to see what will stick. there is nothing to suggest she's a nut.

from factcheck

"Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
debate this in a Science classroom.
No one has ever prohibited this debate in public schools, ever.
You just don't debate it in a Science classroom for terribly obvious reasons.

How many frikkn times does the Supreme Court have to take this up again...
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:04 PM
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Isn't it obvious how she feels about creationism? Sorry, to me, thats nutty.
to me too, i'm an atheist! but to me its not anywhere near the most important aspect of what makes a good leader.

does Obamas church teach something other than creationism? or any other candidate past or present. how many come out and say I don't believe in creationism?
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:49 PM
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I get it from blogs on the intranet and CNN. This is wrong?

She's a religious nut, plain and simple. No place for that being a heartbeat away from leading the country.
Blogs and CNN are not exactly neutral sources

As for palin, what are the chances that McCain croaks? And even if he does how exactly can a Republican President (especially one not elected) get ultra right wing programs past a democratic congress? A VP basically goes into hiding the day after the election and anyone who thinks that McCain is going to allow Palin to be his Cheney obviously doesnt understand McCain. The whole one heart beat thing is so overblown.
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