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Major short point:

The major redistribution of wealth by a government
is the precursor to failure. Dont work.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Major short point:

The major redistribution of wealth by a government
is the precursor to failure. Dont work.

We've never had this major redistribution of wealth. Cuba did. These countries people call Socialist(Scandinavia and the other Euros with national healthcare) are doing fine. They aren't failing. That's because they did not have any major redistribution of wealth. Oprah making 2.5 billion( instead of 3 billion) is not a major redistribution of wealth. Your claim is probably true, but you're too quick to call something a major redistribution of wealth.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

We've never had this major redistribution of wealth. Cuba did. These countries people call Socialist(Scandinavia and the other Euros with national healthcare) are doing fine. They aren't failing. That's because they did not have any major redistribution of wealth. Oprah making 2.5 billion( instead of 3 billion) is not a major redistribution of wealth. Your claim is probably true, but you're too quick to call something a major redistribution of wealth.

As much as I would like to have a stronger middle class.
You cant make it happen through government.
That is really the point.

Scandanavia is probably a very bad example being so homogenous...
as is Japan.
We have a very different dynamic here.
The mixing pot thing.

And health care is a horribly difficult problem.
If you got a plan, they need you in Washington now.
People are living too damn long. Major bucks spent
on older people instead of kids early on.
Major research on drugs to keep people alive longer,
but not necessarily help with the quality of life.
I plan to off myself before this happens.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I plan to off myself before this happens.

A lot of people say that, but they don't follow through with it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

As much as I would like to have a stronger middle class.
You cant make it happen through government.
That is really the point.

Scandanavia is probably a very bad example being so homogenous...

I don't know why being homogenous would make the difference you seem to think it does. They've made a stronger middle class through government, and they are doing fine. Maybe what you should be saying is we need to get some of our social problems taken care of(be more responsible parents, and stop breeding criminals.) Probably no economic plan is gunna work when you have men letting women raise kids alone. BTW, if Conservatives had it their way, you wouldn't be Middle Class(as a teacher.) You wouldn't have a good retirement system either. What kind of retirement system do teachers have in these private schools (the schools Conservatives got such a hard on for.) Seems government has enabled you to be middle class. So, don't tell me you can't strengthen the middle class through government. You're a perfect example of it. You'd be struggling to make it with just private school pay.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I don't know why being homogenous would make the difference you seem to think it does. They've made a stronger middle class through government, and they are doing fine. Maybe what you should be saying is we need to get some of our social problems taken care of(be more responsible parents, and stop breeding criminals.) Probably no economic plan is gunna work when you have men letting women raise kids alone. BTW, if Conservatives had it their way, you wouldn't be Middle Class(as a teacher.) You wouldn't have a good retirement system either. What kind of retirement system do teachers have in these private schools (the schools Conservatives got such a hard on for.) Seems government has enabled you to be middle class. So, don't tell me you can't strengthen the middle class through government. You're a perfect example of it. You'd be struggling to make it with just private school pay.

I would not teach if I had to live a destitute life style instead of just a paltry one. I would have probably fit nicely into my father's law firm and hated every moment of it. I would probably be building strip centers with some friends of mine and hated every moment of it. I would probably have gone to medical school instead of graduate school and hated every moment of it. I would have probably... this country was an open door when I graduated. I was very lucky. I was born white and male with enough money to get into college.

You dont make stronger middle class through government redistribution of wealth. You make a stronger middle class by changing ideas. You make people believe they are not bigger than the whole. That is very difficult to do in a country that is heterogenous and with the history this country has in race relations imo.