mccain's vp

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you ever try to understand the real world? American companies employ American workers who spend American dollars on American goods which makes for more tax revenues for the American govt to spend.

Cannon Shell is a proponent of the failed supply side experiment? A couple of problems though with your real world scenario. Let me fix it for you:

American Companies are employing more and more foreign workers leaving many American workers broke so they spend on credit for foreign goods that are more expensive because of the weakened dollars caused by our lack of tax revenues by our American Government that spends too much.

There, i would say that is more real world.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Cannon Shell is a proponent of the failed supply side experiment? A couple of problems though with your real world scenario. Let me fix it for you:

American Companies are employing more and more foreign workers leaving many American workers broke so they spend on credit for foreign goods that are more expensive because of the weakened dollars caused by our lack of tax revenues by our American Government that spends too much.

There, i would say that is more real world.

Yeah the poor American worker. Like the ones that are driving American automakers out of business because of unskilled labor making $100 an hour and retiring at 50? American companies are to blame for the plight of the poor american worker forced to use their credit cards to buy flat screen tv's. The ones who drive $50000 leased cars and were victims of the awful mortgage men who tricked them into believing they too could live in a $400k house on $38000 a year. What exactly is the % of American companies that have foreign operations?

Your solution is to elect Obama to tax the heck out of the rich to keep up with that out of control govt spending?

Real world is living within your means and stop blaming the someone else for all your problems when those means are exceeded.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah the poor American worker. Like the ones that are driving American automakers out of business because of unskilled labor making $100 an hour and retiring at 50? American companies are to blame for the plight of the poor american worker forced to use their credit cards to buy flat screen tv's. The ones who drive $50000 leased cars and were victims of the awful mortgage men who tricked them into believing they too could live in a $400k house on $38000 a year. What exactly is the % of American companies that have foreign operations?

Your solution is to elect Obama to tax the heck out of the rich to keep up with that out of control govt spending?

Real world is living within your means and stop blaming the someone else for all your problems when those means are exceeded.

Why do you stick to this worn out elitist myth that supply side economics actually works? Check out the relationship between production and wages from 1980 until today and you tell me that it has been fair to the working class. Inflation adjusted wages have barely moved in the last 30 years while the price of everything has gone up significantly. During the same period of time, check out the rate in which CEO wages have risen. Bottom line? American production has increased but nothing has "trickled down".

So you bring up the cliche of the overextended middle class begging for handouts and living beyond their means while not addressing how it got to be this way and why the trend has been exasperated over the last thirty years. Bring out FACTS not cliches.

If you want to bring up Obama, the FACT is that tax wise, 95% of the population will benefit from his plan.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Why do you stick to this worn out elitist myth that supply side economics actually works? Check out the relationship between production and wages from 1980 until today and you tell me that it has been fair to the working class. Inflation adjusted wages have barely moved in the last 30 years while the price of everything has gone up significantly. During the same period of time, check out the rate in which CEO wages have risen. Bottom line? American production has increased but nothing has "trickled down".

So you bring up the cliche of the overextended middle class begging for handouts and living beyond their means while not addressing how it got to be this way and why the trend has been exasperated over the last thirty years. Bring out FACTS not cliches.

If you want to bring up Obama, the FACT is that tax wise, 95% of the population will benefit from his plan.

i know i'm exasperated.

and obamas plan is to continue bushes tax cuts, essentially keep the whole tax scheme we've had in place, so i don't know what plan he's got you think is going to change things. of course once some of those tax cuts expire, he's probably going to jack them up to pay for all those new programs he's tossing out there like cheap candy to a baby. not sure how tax increases and new social programs that the middle class has to pay for won't exacerbate the whole less money from your pay check problem.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i know i'm exasperated.

and obamas plan is to continue bushes tax cuts, essentially keep the whole tax scheme we've had in place, so i don't know what plan he's got you think is going to change things. of course once some of those tax cuts expire, he's probably going to jack them up to pay for all those new programs he's tossing out there like cheap candy to a baby. not sure how tax increases and new social programs that the middle class has to pay for won't exacerbate the whole less money from your pay check problem.

You dont know his plan.

Factcheck.org

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You dont know his plan.

Factcheck.org

I was just looking at factcheck... Now Obama DID vote for a measure to take taxes back to the pre-2001 level. (which would have moved the 25% bracket back to 28%).

Now he's proposing tax cuts for those levels, which is a flip flop... but I'd rather him flip flop this way...

Here are both candidates plan...

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbe...cfm?DocID=1839

The BIGGEST differences in the two plans, IMO, is that McCain wants to lower corporate tax $ and Obama wants to raise corporate tax $$..

The question I have... is if we increase taxes on corporations will us as Employees have less opportunities to get raises and better pay because my company will have less $$?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I was just looking at factcheck... Now Obama DID vote for a measure to take taxes back to the pre-2001 level. (which would have moved the 25% bracket back to 28%).

Now he's proposing tax cuts for those levels, which is a flip flop... but I'd rather him flip flop this way...

Here are both candidates plan...

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbe...cfm?DocID=1839

The BIGGEST differences in the two plans, IMO, is that McCain wants to lower corporate tax $ and Obama wants to higher corporate tax $$..

The question I have... is if we increase taxes on corporations will us as Employees have less opportunities to get raises and better pay because my company will have less $$?

good research! one other question

the corporate tax also hits the small business people...that are not typically thought of when you talk of Corporate Tax. How would this effect them and their employment plans and their ability to provide good salaries and raises?

[dalakhani]

[quote=Antitrust32]I was just looking at factcheck... Now Obama DID vote for a measure to take taxes back to the pre-2001 level. (which would have moved the 25% bracket back to 28%).

Now he's proposing tax cuts for those levels, which is a flip flop... but I'd rather him flip flop this way...

Here are both candidates plan...

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbe...cfm?DocID=1839

The BIGGEST differences in the two plans, IMO, is that McCain wants to lower corporate tax $ and Obama wants to raise corporate tax $$..

The question I have... is if we increase taxes on corporations will us as Employees have less opportunities to get raises and better pay because my company will have less $$?[/QUOTE]

Raises and better pay? Again, inflation adjusted, the only wages that have gone up in relationship to production over the last 30 years are CEO wages. Average wages adjusted for inflation have remained flat.

As far as far as tax policy, it is proven that Obama's plan IS NOT the same as McCain's. I will post the differences in a second.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You dont know his plan.

Factcheck.org

i know i read that during an interview just the other day that he said he was keeping bushes tax cuts. i don't need to go to factcheck, unless you're suggesting barack doesn't know what he's saying?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i know i read that during an interview just the other day that he said he was keeping bushes tax cuts. i don't need to go to factcheck, unless you're suggesting barack doesn't know what he's saying?

I think the incorrect part was about the middle class having to pay for new social programs.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i know i read that during an interview just the other day that he said he was keeping bushes tax cuts. i don't need to go to factcheck, unless you're suggesting barack doesn't know what he's saying?

He is keeping tax cuts for the middle class but on top of that adding tax credits for families. The big difference is that he is rolling them back for families making over 250k and some for corporations. He also plans to increase Capital gains taxes and keep AMT in place.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah the poor American worker. Like the ones that are driving American automakers out of business because of unskilled labor making $100 an hour and retiring at 50? American companies are to blame for the plight of the poor american worker forced to use their credit cards to buy flat screen tv's. The ones who drive $50000 leased cars and were victims of the awful mortgage men who tricked them into believing they too could live in a $400k house on $38000 a year. What exactly is the % of American companies that have foreign operations?

Your solution is to elect Obama to tax the heck out of the rich to keep up with that out of control govt spending?

Real world is living within your means and stop blaming the someone else for all your problems when those means are exceeded.

remember now cannon, when you say anything 'republican', it's elitist mythical republican talking points, but if you state anything 'democratic', you're an intelligent open minded person who has seen the light.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

In the last week or so I believe 2 people have been called elitist on this site and both have expressed they were voting for Obama.

really? musta missed it.
altho i'm not surprised, libs call cons every name in the book, and cons return the favor.
cracks me up that the conservative talk radio, especially rush, is so HORRIFIED that people are attacking palin. i think rush refers to liberal women as femi-Nazis. ridiculous. then they're SO offended when it's their turn.