I hate Visionaire

Latana Mob had somewhat the same type of run as Visionaire but
decided bumper cars would be fun instead.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Latana Mob had somewhat the same type of run as Visionaire but
decided bumper cars would be fun instead.

He actually had a better trip.....in my opinion. If he was any good he would have won easily.

Originally Posted by stonegossard

He actually had a better trip.....in my opinion. If he was any good he would have won easily.

He did until the turn. He was in better striking position and then bumper cars.
No one said Mob was that much better than the rest.
Visionaire won.
Do you think he was obviously the best (ie that much better than the rest)?

I dont think he was the obvious winner at all.
And neither did the public.
He won.
Thats all.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He did until the turn. He was in better striking position and then bumper cars.
No one said Mob was that much better than the rest.
Visionaire won.
Do you think he was obviously the best (ie that much better than the rest)?

I dont think he was the obvious winner at all.
And neither did the public.
He won.
Thats all.

He was far from obvious. But he was bet. If they didnt go out in that crazy pace he probably wouldnt have won. But going over the pp's, that pace scenario did figure and he was the best closer in the race. Obviosuly a lot of others saw the same thing because his odds were on the low side. He is a really nice horse goin a mile and under. Hopefully they skip The BC and aim for The Cigar Mile.

As far as being better than the rest...tough call..he beat em all yesterday....but if they crawled early he aint winning.

Originally Posted by stonegossard

He was far from obvious. But he was bet. If they didnt go out in that crazy pace he probably wouldnt have won. But going over the pp's, that pace scenario did figure and he was the best closer in the race. Obviosuly a lot of others saw the same thing because his odds were on the low side. He is a really nice horse goin a mile and under. Hopefully they skip The BC and aim for The Cigar Mile.

As far as being better than the rest...tough call..he beat em all yesterday....but if they crawled early he aint winning.

It worked out nicely for you.
Thats for sure.

Being the best closer does not assure you of a win even if there is pace
in a large field.
Other things have to go well. And they did.
So in retrospect it looks good.
congrats.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

But going over the pp's, that pace scenario did figure and he was the best closer in the race. Obviosuly a lot of others saw the same thing because his odds were on the low side.

I think in general those deep, one-run closers are always overbet. People have an affinity for seeing their horse fly down the center of the track, it's exciting. The list of deep, one-run closers throughout history who always went off at odds shorter than they should is long.

[Benny Leger]

Give AG credit for the sensible ride of Visionaire behind a torrid pace. He had the smarts to ride the horse the only way it could win. Eight lengths behind at the 1/2 mile pole and 9-10 wide through the turn wasn't pretty, but he got the job done in a Grade I.

Originally Posted by Benny Leger

Give AG credit for the sensible ride of Visionaire behind a torrid pace. He had the smarts to ride the horse the only way it could win. Eight lengths behind at the 1/2 mile pole and 9-10 wide through the turn wasn't pretty, but he got the job done in a Grade I.

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