Why would they do this?

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Just because he cost $750K, doesn't mean he's worth it...That's why I am amused by these "pretty pedigree horsey people"...My favorite is when someone picks up a catalog and states this one should be a good horse, well then, take a look at this one...

There was someone on this forum a few weeks ago ... I forget who ... claiming that "experts" can tell whether or not horses can run ... just by looking at them.

I tried to argue the point with him ... but to no avail. He really believes it.

I wonder what kind of eyesight the "expert" ... who advised putting up $750G for this nag ... had?

[whorstman]

25k, huh? Will they take a check?

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by whorstman

25k, huh? Will they take a check?

Certified and remeber to include any local sales tax.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

There was someone on this forum a few weeks ago ... I forget who ... claiming that "experts" can tell whether or not horses can run ... just by looking at them.

I tried to argue the point with him ... but to no avail. He really believes it.

I wonder what kind of eyesight the "expert" ... who advised putting up $750G for this nag ... had?

You don't know what you are going to get: Bernardini or Indy Storm, but to proclaim that they are going to be great based on pedigree is rediculous...

They have these little cartoon's on the wall in the Sports Bar at Keeneland, my favorite has two foals staring at each other across a fence, one with a caption above his head with his pedigree and all of these "well bred" horses in it, the other foal has a question mark above his head and the foal is looking at the "well bred" foal, like he could care less, it's beautiful...

[Cajungator26]

I'm more impressed with the conformation on a colt or filly myself. I wouldn't buy one with lousy conformation (I don't care what the pedigree says.) That's the problem though... people in the business care more about the "pedigree" and amount of black type than they do with the way the individual looks.

[Scurlogue Champ]

I would say they are doing it because he sucks

The greatest sire of runners in American history ... Bold Ruler ... sired 24% stakes winners.

That's one out of four ... and not all of them were money makers.

Stallions who sire 10-15% stakes winners are considered outstanding ... so you've got at best a one-in-ten chance of getting some money back ... which may or not cover the purchase price and the upkeep.

The only people who make money at the sales are the breeders, the agents, and the auctioneers. The buyers get fleeced.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

The greatest sire of runners in American history ... Bold Ruler ... sired 24% stakes winners.

That's one out of four ... and not all of them were money makers.

Stallions who sire 10-15% stakes winners are considered outstanding ... so you've got at best a one-in-ten chance of getting some money back ... which may or not cover the purchase price and the upkeep.

The only people who make money at the sales are the breeders, the agents, and the auctioneers. The buyers get fleeced.

breeders get 'fleeced' too...for every one that sells for 750K there are a dozen others that won't cover the stud fee.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

breeders get 'fleeced' too...for every one that sells for 750K there are a dozen others that won't cover the stud fee.

Ain't that the truth!

Originally Posted by paisjpq

breeders get 'fleeced' too...for every one that sells for 750K there are a dozen others that won't cover the stud fee.

Sorry ... I meant the stud farms ... the syndicates ... the big-name stallion owners ... they almost always come out ahead.

But not the broodmare and yearling owners ... they can take a hosing too.

Although in some cases ... they are one and the same.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'm more impressed with the conformation on a colt or filly myself. I wouldn't buy one with lousy conformation (I don't care what the pedigree says.) That's the problem though... people in the business care more about the "pedigree" and amount of black type than they do with the way the individual looks.

That's exactly how Rex Elsworth started his breeding barn. He found mares with good conformation and didn't care what thier race record was. The same applied to his first stallons and he managed to produce Swaps and a few other good horses.

We might note that his Champions weren't much when they went to the breeding shed. They never really produced much, so I guess you do need some blue blood in there.