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Old 08-22-2008, 08:29 PM
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Memo to Big Brown Bashers........."Give it a rest."
Memo to Big Brown Nosers...."Give him a rest".

Wasn't, by all accounts, his Haskell visually unimpressive, getting left for dead on the turn, full out and under a savage right-handed whip, before finally reeling in a tiring allowance horse while drifting out considerably through the lane?

And yet, still, if you buy it, he got one of his best speed figures? Just think how good he would be with some time off and 4 good feet under him.

If he stays in training (I realize the plan is to retire him at the end of the year), he could end up finishing his campaign the way Touch Gold did (see the '97 Pegasus and BC Classic).

Aside from their ridiculous boasting, IEAH take a lot flack here because they are basically not doing right by Big Brown. They aren't giving him a shot to be the horse they claim he is (by not running him at 4) and his continued campaigning this year is somewhat reckless if you think he has significant physical problems (namely his quarter crack).
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Old 08-22-2008, 08:33 PM
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[quote=RolloTomasi]Memo to Big Brown Nosers...."Give him a rest".

Wasn't, by all accounts, his Haskell visually unimpressive, getting left for dead on the turn, full out and under a savage right-handed whip, before finally reeling in a tiring allowance horse while drifting out considerably through the lane?


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Haskell victory was quite impressive. It proved he could win from behind, something he never needed to do.

And if you are going to use the "savage right-handed whip card" then you might as well include the majority of other champions in the same breath.
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Old 08-22-2008, 08:40 PM
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Haskell victory was quite impressive. It proved he could win from behind, something he never needed to do.

And if you are going to use the "savage right-handed whip card" then you might as well include the majority of other champions in the same breath.
Did he win the Derby and Preakness wire-to-wire?

And how far out of it exactly was he in the Haskell? A length and a half, maybe?

Most of the problems he "overcame" in the Haskell probably had more to do with his own physical condition then any circumstances related to how the race setup or was ultimately run.

In that regard, Big Brown's Haskell was a step below his other performances, and a red flag as far as future efforts are concerned. Of course, if the Belmont effort didn't cause them to back off, certainly him winning in New Jersey isn't going to stop IEAH from their masterplan.
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Old 08-22-2008, 08:43 PM
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Did he win the Derby and Preakness wire-to-wire?

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He won them both by accelerating at the top of the stretch. That is hardly coming from behind.
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Old 08-22-2008, 08:46 PM
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He won them both by accelerating at the top of the stretch. That is hardly coming from behind.
How do true closers normally win races? By decelerating at the top of the stretch?

Oh wait, they just lope along one-paced and pass tiring horses.

Much more impressive...
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Old 08-22-2008, 08:51 PM
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How do true closers normally win races? By decelerating at the top of the stretch?

Oh wait, they just lope along one-paced and pass tiring horses.

Much more impressive...
Closers do look impressive flying down the lane however the optical illusion is as you well know they are just tiring slower so it makes them look like they
have after burners on . lol
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Old 08-22-2008, 09:01 PM
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How do true closers normally win races? By decelerating at the top of the stretch?

Oh wait, they just lope along one-paced and pass tiring horses.

Much more impressive...
Big Brown's pressure of when he streaked for the finish helped make the
horse(s) tired. When the race was over, Big Brown wasn't tired and hasn't loped yet, only won every race he entered except one, which he should have never been entered for a multitude of reasons except a TC was on the line.
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Old 08-23-2008, 10:14 AM
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He won them both by accelerating at the top of the stretch. That is hardly coming from behind.

This is the kind of stuff that is getting posted here in my absense?
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Old 08-23-2008, 12:43 PM
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This is the kind of stuff that is getting posted here in my absense?

Maybe you should read the entire thread and understand it better. You being away has made your comprehension quite rusty.
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Old 08-23-2008, 07:39 PM
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I read the entire thread.

It was painful.
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Old 08-23-2008, 12:02 AM
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Memo to Big Brown Nosers...."Give him a rest".

Wasn't, by all accounts, his Haskell visually unimpressive, getting left for dead on the turn, full out and under a savage right-handed whip, before finally reeling in a tiring allowance horse while drifting out considerably through the lane?


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Haskell victory was quite impressive. It proved he could win from behind, something he never needed to do.

And if you are going to use the "savage right-handed whip card" then you might as well include the majority of other champions in the same breath.

Umm newsflash...he was further back in the Derby. Also was off the pace in The Preakness. At least get your facts somewhat straight.

What was impressive about The Haskell? He sat a perfect trip 2nd to an average horse...then he was all out to beat him. BB didnt pass Zito's horse....Zito's horse slowed down enough in the final 100 yds for BB to get by.
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