Iavarone afraid ?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

This is probably pretty obvious, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that he represents an organization that feels (rightfully so) that they have absolutely nothing to gain an everything to lose. What if, hypothetically, he freaks and beats Curlin? Does anyone really think BB is better??!! Not hardly. Of course if he loses, he'll be relegated to "tallest pygmy" status in a year that was exceptionally light in talent, thus negatively impacting his initial fee. It's a lose - lose for IEAH.

Actually it's the complete opposite. For breeding purposes he has zero to lose. If he loses to Curlin does not effect his fee for breeding. He isnt expected to beat Curlin. But..if he wins the fee will move up substantially. Iavarone is just chickens#it. He has NOTHING to lose by running vs Curlin.

The fact is BB was all out in The Haskell to beat a horse that really isnt any good. Ivarone knows deep down that his horse would get crushed in a dirt race vs Curlin.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Actually it's the complete opposite. For breeding purposes he has zero to lose. If he loses to Curlin does not effect his fee for breeding. He isnt expected to beat Curlin. But..if he wins the fee will move up substantially. Iavarone is just chickens#it. He has NOTHING to lose by running vs Curlin.

The fact is BB was all out in The Haskell to beat a horse that really isnt any good. Ivarone knows deep down that his horse would get crushed in a dirt race vs Curlin.

BB added another G1 to his resume in the Haskell. 5 years from now no one will remember who he beat or how much he beat them by or how crappy the field was, especially if he turns out to be a serviceable stallion. Considering both horses will be entering stud service the same year, and that BB has no chance at beating Curlin, he has nothing to gain by racing Curlin. You call it chickesh!t, it call it managing a business. C'est la vie.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

BB added another G1 to his resume in the Haskell. 5 years from now no one will remember who he beat or how much he beat them by or how crappy the field was, especially if he turns out to be a serviceable stallion. Considering both horses will be entering stud service the same year, and that BB has no chance at beating Curlin, he has nothing to gain by racing Curlin. You call it chickesh!t, it call it managing a business. C'est la vie.

I am sorry.....but going around saying that "We have the best horse...I dont understand why people think Curlin is a good horse....etc" then ducking Curlin is the exact definition of chiceknsh#t. Dutrow and these guys are talking a big game, but are terrified to race Curlin in a real race.

Beating a horse of the quality of Curlin WILL help his value. Not sure why you cant comprehend that. When he goes to the breeding shed yes he will have a bunch of GRade I's...but people in the business will remember that he beat the worst crop of 3 yr olds in decades...if not ever.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I am sorry.....but going around saying that "We have the best horse...I dont understand why people think Curlin is a good horse....etc" then ducking Curlin is the exact definition of chiceknsh#t. Dutrow and these guys are talking a big game, but are terrified to race Curlin in a real race.

Beating a horse of the quality of Curlin WILL help his value. Not sure why you cant comprehend that. When he goes to the breeding shed yes he will have a bunch of GRade I's...but people in the business will remember that he beat the worst crop of 3 yr olds in decades...if not ever.

Talk is cheap. Why would you take anything these connections say seriously?
Forgone Conclusion. LOL

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by pick4

Talk is cheap. Why would you take anything these connections say seriously?
Forgone Conclusion. LOL

They are full of sh#t. No doubt.


Would just love to see that fat pig Dutrow's excuse when Curlin beats Little Brown by 15 lengths.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

They are full of sh#t. No doubt.


Would just love to see that fat pig Dutrow's excuse when Curlin beats Little Brown by 15 lengths.

Dream on. It's not going to happen.

Why would they run Big Brown against Curlin? He can't beat him and he already has four Grade 1 wins on dirt. So they will run him on turf and synthetic and if he runs big in both of those it will increase his value tremendously.


Bown's next two races are worth millions to the owners. Why would they give it away by trying to beat a horse they know they cannot beat?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Dream on. It's not going to happen.

Why would they run Big Brown against Curlin? He can't beat him and he already has four Grade 1 wins on dirt. So they will run him on turf and synthetic and if he runs big in both of those it will increase his value tremendously.


Bown's next two races are worth millions to the owners. Why would they give it away by trying to beat a horse they know they cannot beat?

How is the next race worth millions to them? When an non graded turf stakes race doesn't mean much, unless they have something in the contract where if they win a 500k turf stakes they get so-so. I understand what winning the BCC does? but this turf race is garbage

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Dream on. It's not going to happen.

Why would they run Big Brown against Curlin? He can't beat him and he already has four Grade 1 wins on dirt. So they will run him on turf and synthetic and if he runs big in both of those it will increase his value tremendously.


Bown's next two races are worth millions to the owners. Why would they give it away by trying to beat a horse they know they cannot beat?

I agree BB cant beat him. But then why does Iavarone suggest a match race? Thats the whole purpose of this thread. Iavarone is chickensh#t and knows BB cant beat Curlin on dirt in a real race. Thats why he suggested a type of race that he might have .000000000000001 % chance of winning vs Curlin.

By the way...how is his next race at MTH worth Millions to the connections? It's a made up non-graded set up race.


According to pig face Dutrow his horse can beat Curlin......

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

They are full of sh#t. No doubt.


Would just love to see that fat pig Dutrow's excuse when Curlin beats Little Brown by 15 lengths.

I'll say there's no reason for you to call Dutrow a name like that. Look at what he has accomplish after a rough life. look at his grade 1 wins purse money, etc.. Do you know him personally? If not they statment is out of line.
Sure he is loud big mouth, boastful, however he does back up most of his talk with performances he gets out of his horses. Why is there so much hate for a man that nobody on the website even knows personally.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

I'll say there's no reason for you to call Dutrow a name like that. Look at what he has accomplish after a rough life. look at his grade 1 wins purse money, etc.. Do you know him personally? If not they statment is out of line.
Sure he is loud big mouth, boastful, however he does back up most of his talk with performances he gets out of his horses. Why is there so much hate for a man that nobody on the website even knows personally.

One more thing, the owners want to know one thing and care about one thing
in a trainer, SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

I'll say there's no reason for you to call Dutrow a name like that. Look at what he has accomplish after a rough life. look at his grade 1 wins purse money, etc.. Do you know him personally? If not they statment is out of line.
Sure he is loud big mouth, boastful, however he does back up most of his talk with performances he gets out of his horses. Why is there so much hate for a man that nobody on the website even knows personally.

I'll say there's no reason for you to defend Dutrow. Look at what he has done that led to his rough life. Look at his multiple medication violations, suspensions, etc. Do you know him personally? If not, you're out of line.

He is a loud big mouth, boastful, but then turns yellow when Curlin and Congress comes-a-callin'. Why is there so much love for a man that nobody on the website even knows personally?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

I'll say there's no reason for you to call Dutrow a name like that. Look at what he has accomplish after a rough life. look at his grade 1 wins purse money, etc.. Do you know him personally? If not they statment is out of line.
Sure he is loud big mouth, boastful, however he does back up most of his talk with performances he gets out of his horses. Why is there so much hate for a man that nobody on the website even knows personally.

Rough life????

Puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea se.

The guy is the son of a great horsemen and had a shot to follow in his footsteps. Not too many get the luxury to be brought up and learn from a guy like Dick Dutrow. Rick was a degenrate gambler/drug addict who got that "rough life" all on his own. He has nobody to blame but himself for his pitfalls.

The guy has ZERO respect for others in the game...he has ripped Assmussen...David Carroll....what he did in The Whitney yrs ago to make sure St Liam won was ridiculous. Gary Contessa, who I am not a fan of, said it perfectly "At a time when he could be doing something good for the sport, he is doing the exact opposite". This was mentioned during the whole steroid talk when Dutrow was suppose to go in front of Congress.

What does knowing him personally have to do with anything? All you have to do is listen to him and follow along to know what he is all about.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

I'll say there's no reason for you to call Dutrow a name like that. Look at what he has accomplish after a rough life. look at his grade 1 wins purse money, etc.. Do you know him personally? If not they statment is out of line.
Sure he is loud big mouth, boastful, however he does back up most of his talk with performances he gets out of his horses. Why is there so much hate for a man that nobody on the website even knows personally.

I believe there are several people on the website who know him personally and i dont think he would care if someone called him a fat pig. Us fat guys know we are fat, most of us embrace our fatness