russia vs georgia

This is bigger than Georgia being douche bags.

Check out how Armenia, The Urkraine, etc. feel... just a bit nervous? This is calculated muscle flexing. And the Russians have not yet made any serious signs of moving out. With all the oil they have and all the farmland they still have to import beef..., they cant successfully raise their own with very good pasture land in a number of areas. Their food commodities infrastructure is in horrible shape. So its time for a little fun distraction from internal problems. This is a country that could be very wealthy if they had any sort of real business not bullied or coerced by the government. If you want to be rich in Russia, you dont cross Putin in any way. If he says remove that revealing tidbit from the TV best get it done. Putin would love the old Soviet States
returned.

Hopefully they move out soon.
Point well taken: Dont fool with ethnic Russians in Georgia on the border.
Please leave.
And WTF are they doing attacking Abkhazia as well ??? nothing was going on there at all...

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is bigger than Georgia being douche bags.

Check out how Armenia, The Urkraine, etc. feel... just a bit nervous? This is calculated muscle flexing. And the Russians have not yet made any serious signs of moving out. With all the oil they have and all the farmland they still have to import beef..., they cant successfully raise their own with very good pasture land in a number of areas. Their food commodities infrastructure is in horrible shape. So its time for a little fun distraction from internal problems. This is a country that could be very wealthy if they had any sort of real business not bullied or coerced by the government. If you want to be rich in Russia, you dont cross Putin in any way. If he says remove that revealing tidbit from the TV best get it done. Putin would love the old Soviet States
returned.

Hopefully they move out soon.
Point well taken: Dont fool with ethnic Russians in Georgia on the border.
Please leave.
And WTF are they doing attacking Abkhazia as well ??? nothing was going on there at all...

low hanging fruit.

this whole episode was their invasion of grenada.

we need better allies. georgia got played. i like the part where the georgian's went in after the russian negotiator said he couldn't meet to discuss the situation in s ossentia because of a flat tire. and his spare was flat too.

classic.

Big pullout of foreign investors in Russian markets.
They say their military pullout is completed. Which
basically means the two areas in dispute are now Russian.

This should be interesting. Did Putin intend for some more
economic problems to further the sleeper hold he has on
his country... or does this make them more likely to negotiate
and is just short term...

Wacky stuff.

[Cannon Shell]

If you think that this has anything to do with ethnic cleansing or believe georgia has done something that encouraged the russians to invade you really dont understand that part of the world or dont read the news very well. Putin IS putting the old USSR back together. He has already turned the govt into a puppet govt, has invited western oil investment and research and then seized the russian companies that worked with them, putting the owners in jail and kicking the western companies out. They are spending like crazy on revamping their military and Russia has lots of money not to mention a semi-alliance with Iran. They have been rattling the cages of Georgia over the pipelines for 2 years now. Control over Georgia gives them control over the lifeblood of much of eastern europes energy supplies. They dont have to occupy the entire country to be able to exert extreme pressure. The Russians have already put the nuclear card on the table in regards to Poland installing the US missle defense system. THEY HAVE SAID PUBICALLY THAT THEY WILL USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS ON ANOTHER COUNTRY IF IT DOESNT DO WHAT THEY DESIRE!!! So if you believe that the Georgians are bad people or that the Russians are the good guys or somehow justified in this fight, you just go ahead and believe that.


http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article...cle_id=2372768


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-Georgia.html

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you think that this has anything to do with ethnic cleansing or believe georgia has done something that encouraged the russians to invade you really dont understand that part of the world or dont read the news very well. Putin IS putting the old USSR back together. He has already turned the govt into a puppet govt, has invited western oil investment and research and then seized the russian companies that worked with them, putting the owners in jail and kicking the western companies out. They are spending like crazy on revamping their military and Russia has lots of money not to mention a semi-alliance with Iran. They have been rattling the cages of Georgia over the pipelines for 2 years now. Control over Georgia gives them control over the lifeblood of much of eastern europes energy supplies. They dont have to occupy the entire country to be able to exert extreme pressure. The Russians have already put the nuclear card on the table in regards to Poland installing the US missle defense system. THEY HAVE SAID PUBICALLY THAT THEY WILL USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS ON ANOTHER COUNTRY IF IT DOESNT DO WHAT THEY DESIRE!!! So if you believe that the Georgians are bad people or that the Russians are the good guys or somehow justified in this fight, you just go ahead and believe that.


http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article...cle_id=2372768

i don't think either georgians or russians are unusually good or bad.

i think georgians have been poorly served by their leadership. i'm not sure how georgia taking the bait and sending troops into s ossentia (a region where russian troops were serving as peacekeepers under an internationally recognized mandate) isn't "encouraging the russians to invade you".

we promised gorbachev we wouldn't expand nato into eastern europe in exchange for soviet acquiescence to german reunification. after that we invite ukraine and georgia to apply.

i don't know why anyone is shocked the russians are pissed and swinging a big dick in everyone's face.

what's shocking was the lack of any sense of realpolitik in tblisi.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i don't know why anyone is shocked the russians are pissed and swinging a big dick in everyone's face.

I am shocked at the way they are going about it.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I am shocked at the way they are going about it.

you don't think it could be worse?

they didn't occupy the capital when little stopped them.

there are no legitimate reports of any genocide on either side. they sent in their better, more experienced troops and not the conscripts.

they wanted to humiliate the georgians, not destroy them.

i look at this as a carefully planned and measured response.

as opposed to say...iraq.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Putin IS putting the old USSR back together.
http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article...cle_id=2372768


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-Georgia.html

Putin fooled GW also.

All that time playing "the man he could do business with" and
Putin is probably just seething having to play GW without any
brute force recourse.

Throwing the Western Oil companies out is pure stupidity.
Venezuela already failed with this trick. Russia's oil production will
now deteriorate slowly but surely.

This is really a confusing situation. Unless Putin is trying to slash
and burn his own country to gain some sort of despotic control.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Putin fooled GW also.

All that time playing "the man he could do business with" and
Putin is probably just seething having to play GW without any
brute force recourse.

Throwing the Western Oil companies out is pure stupidity.
Venezuela already failed with this trick. Russia's oil production will
now deteriorate slowly but surely.

This is really a confusing situation. Unless Putin is trying to slash
and burn his own country to gain some sort of despotic control.

All GW was doing was giving the guy public respect which leaders tend to do. That means nothing except to the looney talk radio guys.

Putin is KGB dont forget. He invited the westerners in to steal their technology and let them do the dirty work in drastically updating the Russian gas and oil production. It costs billions to locate and extract oil and gas and after the systems were set up he threw the west out and took over the Russian companies and threw their execs in jail. He got exactly what he needed. They have plenty of money now and with the US seemingly reeling economically and with its military stretched he is striking while he has the advantage. Anything that Georgia did or didnt do is semantics, a good excuse to flex muscles and bait the West (us). The Russian general's quotes were released by the Russian controlled papers which tells you that Putin wanted it said in another muscle flexing move. The chances that they use nukes against poland are remote but the message is clear. Dont fck with us, we are going to make some moves that will piss everybody off but we have nukes and will make things ugly unless you back down.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

All GW was doing was giving the guy public respect which leaders tend to do.

I dont believe this was all. I looked into his eyes????
Bush looked into his eyes and saw the mans soul? There is
no need for this extreme language. He misjudged yet another
person. GW has been absolutely horrendous at picking people
to trust.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Wacky stuff.

I will tell you what is wacky....

The battle injury this Georgia dude suffered....





Imagine having to walk around with a bloody Cun+ on your pec.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

THEY HAVE SAID PUBICALLY THAT THEY WILL USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS ON ANOTHER COUNTRY IF IT DOESNT DO WHAT THEY DESIRE!!!

Nice touch with the caps.

USC has too many athletes and they will man handle Russia if the two ever meet.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Nice touch with the caps.

USC has too many athletes and they will man handle Russia if the two ever meet.

USC has jock itch...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

They are a cinch to win the national title.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I will tell you what is wacky....

The battle injury this Georgia dude suffered....





Imagine having to walk around with a bloody Cun+ on your pec.

You will now be required to pay for my
undigested dinner.

Good heavens...