Stewards- Country Star

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The question is rarely whether they fouled, it's usually whether they think somebody else would have won if they didn't get fouled. My opinion is she wasn't gunna get beat. She had quite a bit left(Frankel's usually do....I know what Joey was trying to do, but Frankel is usually simply a bully in this particular type of spot.) That's why I can't wait for this guy to retire. Loves to bring in this comebacking fresh chalk. Not exactly entertaining stuff. He's never really understood that this is supposed to be entertainment, but that's just my opinion.

Frankel will retire when he croaks. I am not sure how his winning with short priced horses off of a layoff undermines the entertainment factor. I suppose if he intentionally stiffed them a few times it would be more entertaining. what is this pro wrestling?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Frankel will retire when he croaks. I am not sure how his winning with short priced horses off of a layoff undermines the entertainment factor. I suppose if he intentionally stiffed them a few times it would be more entertaining. what is this pro wrestling?

Well, I can't explain to a trainer how boring this is for fans, because trainers get 10% of the 1st place money. It's not boring to you guys. It makes for a pretty useless race for us. One guy said pass the race. I would say pass the race. Joey tried to beat the Frankel, and lost. Your attitude is typical of trainers. They don't care if racing is that competitive. Short uncompetitive fields are in your best interest. Large competitive fields are in our best interest. Frankel's been jamming this chalk down people's throats in these bully situations forever. He is no friend of those wanting good competitive racing(again I don't expect you to care if the racing is very competitive.) Trainers n' fans have highly differing self interests.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, I can't explain to a trainer how boring this is for fans, because trainers get 10% of the 1st place money. It's not boring to you guys. It makes for a pretty useless race for us. One guy said pass the race. I would say pass the race. Joey tried to beat the Frankel, and lost. Your attitude is typical of trainers. They don't care if racing is that competitive. Short uncompetitive fields are in your best interest. Large competitive fields are in our best interest. Frankel's been jamming this chalk down people's throats in these bully situations forever. He is no friend of those wanting good competitive racing(again I don't expect you to care if the racing is very competitive.) Trainers n' fans have highly differing self interests.

This is not your best work. First of all Trainers are trying to win, it isnt our job to make races competitive just as it isnt the head coaches job to make a game that is a blow out closer so it will be more interesting for the fans. Secondly these races are the BEST races to bet as an over-hyped horse with a consistently over bet trainer in a tough situation is a great bet against especially because you are getting greater value on the other runners. Frankel probably wins 30% of the time in these situations and is probably over bet 80% of the time. You do the math.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is not your best work. First of all Trainers are trying to win, it isnt our job to make races competitive just as it isnt the head coaches job to make a game that is a blow out closer so it will be more interesting for the fans. Secondly these races are the BEST races to bet as an over-hyped horse with a consistently over bet trainer in a tough situation is a great bet against especially because you are getting greater value on the other runners. Frankel probably wins 30% of the time in these situations and is probably over bet 80% of the time. You do the math.

In this particular type of class-break situation(stakes winner in a optional claimer,) the chance of beating him is not as you say. I wish it was. It really is a useless race. Can't wait until he is out of the game(this type of race is why.) A trainer can't relate.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, I can't explain to a trainer how boring this is for fans, because trainers get 10% of the 1st place money. It's not boring to you guys. It makes for a pretty useless race for us. One guy said pass the race. I would say pass the race. Joey tried to beat the Frankel, and lost. Your attitude is typical of trainers. They don't care if racing is that competitive. Short uncompetitive fields are in your best interest. Large competitive fields are in our best interest. Frankel's been jamming this chalk down people's throats in these bully situations forever. He is no friend of those wanting good competitive racing(again I don't expect you to care if the racing is very competitive.) Trainers n' fans have highly differing self interests.

Yeah, Frankel needs to start being a bad trainer and losing races so horseplayers can see competitive races. As Chuck says, it's not the trainers' roles to create a "fun betting race" for the bettors.
The filly damn near lost, it was a pretty contentious stretch run, the better horse won. She's a G1 winning filly in a NW2x for a trainer who's about 30% off the layoff. Trying to beat her makes sense if you are more afraid of being accused of being a chalk eating weasel than of tearing up tickets.
If you think she's a vulnerable fave, bet against but when she beats you it's moronic to scream about how bad she was.
It goes without saying that trainers and players have different interests. Trainers make money by running against "lesser" stock than their own.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

He looks for incredibly soft spots more than most. Could find a baby's soft spot in 1.5 seconds. They all do it, but this guy lives for it. It's crappy for the game. Bad race. Delay...Frankel Delay....A competitive race will follow after this one. We appreciate your understanding, and interesting betting races will resume shortly.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He looks for incredibly soft spots more than most. Could find a baby's soft spot in 1.5 seconds. They all do it, but this guy lives for it. It's crappy for the game. Bad race. Delay...Frankel Delay....A competitive race will follow after this one. We appreciate your understanding, and interesting betting races will resume shortly.

That is kind of his job. Put anything in the right company and it will win.

He sure didn't find an easy spot for Mast Track last out at 12-1 did he? Did you happen to get any of that one?

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

That is kind of his job. Put anything in the right company and it will win.

He sure didn't find an easy spot for Mast Track last out at 12-1 did he? Did you happen to get any of that one?

i agree, some could say he is a master at picking his spots. a few years back he was easily the best trainer in the game, and is still today right up there.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

i agree with country star being left up.. i do not agree that the 7 horse in the feature it should have been dqed imo

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

That is kind of his job. Put anything in the right company and it will win.

He sure didn't find an easy spot for Mast Track last out at 12-1 did he? Did you happen to get any of that one?

There is something of actual value to the thread now,because you've reminded everyone of the horse who got free on a highly speed favoring day at Hwd Park in late June. You had no shot trying to make up ground on this day. Last Saturday in June of this year. Find good raters that failed miserably on this day, and you'll get some value. The 2 days before this were the exact opposite of what I just said ( again some value available, but i'd say that saturday card was the real value producer.) That was the best Friday Night for me ever at HWD PARK. They didn't adjust at all(just kept playing speed,) and lil Garcia capped off a real nice (had it 10x) p3 ending in the feature....Uh, no I didn't have Mast Track the next day. I was in Vegas, and had switched tracks when I realized the put a speed bias in overnight(just like that? yep..they changed it late Friday Night.) It is true though that T BAZE is the 1st to know about a change in track bias, and the best at taking advantage of it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

BTW, you can't compare the stewards at different tracks to each other. Somebody mentioned Del Mar. Well, the stewards on this circuit have a different threshold in play when one Victor Espinoza is involved. They aren't gunna help out Nakatani much at all, either. Out here, you are damn near for sure not gunna get taken down if you use Gomez. It's a very political situation with these stewards out here. For instance, I really think Bodacat had shown he was the best horse, but got taken down(because Espinoza was riding.) Gomez would never have come down if he had done the same on Bodacat.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Linny

The filly damn near lost, it was a pretty contentious stretch run, the better horse won. She's a G1 winning filly in a NW2x for a trainer who's about 30% off the layoff. Trying to beat her makes sense if you are more afraid of being accused of being a chalk eating weasel than of tearing up tickets.

Once again, she wasn't the fastest horse in the race on grass, and she is what's supposed to be a dirt filly being thrown onto turf. She was a terrible bet at 4-5.

This blanket "She's a Grade 1 winning filly" defense is totally lazy and worthless. It puts horses like this on the same plateau as true Grade 1 caliber horses. This filly beat freaking Grace and Power on Cushion Track.. If you think that automatically makes her into a different class of horse, then you're probably the same idiot who bet her the two times before yesterday.

Your "arguments" are exactly why the horse was bet down to those indefensibly low odds. People like you ignore form and just assume every graded stakes horse from a good layoff trainer is automatically a layover. It's a foolish way to bet, but I get the impression that you don't bet much, so I don't know why I'm surprised that this is your logic.

Originally Posted by Linny

If you think she's a vulnerable fave, bet against but when she beats you it's moronic to scream about how bad she was.

Yeah, because she was so damn impressive today. I forgot that if a horrible 4-5 favorite wins by a half-length after zig-zagging throughout the stretch, the horse retroactively becomes a good horse. Well done.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Once again, she wasn't the fastest horse in the race on grass, and she is what's supposed to be a dirt filly being thrown onto turf. She was a terrible bet at 4-5.

This blanket "She's a Grade 1 winning filly" defense is totally lazy and worthless. It puts horses like this on the same plateau as true Grade 1 caliber horses. This filly beat freaking Grace and Power on Cushion Track.. If you think that automatically makes her into a different class of horse, then you're probably the same idiot who bet her the two times before yesterday.

Your "arguments" are exactly why the horse was bet down to those indefensibly low odds. People like you ignore form and just assume every graded stakes horse from a good layoff trainer is automatically a layover. It's a foolish way to bet, but I get the impression that you don't bet much, so I don't know why I'm surprised that this is your logic.



Yeah, because she was so damn impressive today. I forgot that if a horrible 4-5 favorite wins by a half-length after zig-zagging throughout the stretch, the horse retroactively becomes a good horse. Well done.

anyone know what hush puppy means ?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Once it sprayin', ain't no containin'......Just a keep on rainin'... rainin'...rainin'.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hrfan

anyone know what hush puppy means ?

Seriously, good luck buying into hype horses like Country Star. I'll continue to bet against them.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Seriously, good luck buying into hype horses like Country Star. I'll continue to bet against them.

i never said i bought into her, i was against her in the oaks and ashland, she was heavy at keenland and i did not touch her that day, i was 3 deep in pick 3's that day and used bsharp, little belle, and proud spell, country star was not even a option for me. i dont think shes anything special, but i do think she's above average/decent and is possibly best on turf.

[reese]

Originally Posted by Linny

Yeah, Frankel needs to start being a bad trainer and losing races so horseplayers can see competitive races. As Chuck says, it's not the trainers' roles to create a "fun betting race" for the bettors.
The filly damn near lost, it was a pretty contentious stretch run, the better horse won. She's a G1 winning filly in a NW2x for a trainer who's about 30% off the layoff. Trying to beat her makes sense if you are more afraid of being accused of being a chalk eating weasel than of tearing up tickets.
If you think she's a vulnerable fave, bet against but when she beats you it's moronic to scream about how bad she was.
It goes without saying that trainers and players have different interests. Trainers make money by running against "lesser" stock than their own.

Good post.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by reese

Good post.

[reese]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You should talk....whining ...wha...wha...wha.. about losing a P3 because you are dumb enough to bet against a Frankel horse as the favorite. Anyone that bets against a Frankel like Country Star BECAUSE they want to bet against fav...in spite of the race figs ...get what they deserve a losing ticket for a loser.

I saw the race ancd the replays several times. There was no interference in that pack of horses. If anything the horse on the rail jammed the bunch

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Make that 2 of us.