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Old 08-09-2008, 03:50 AM
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Dont get wrong- I have plenty of respect for Barbaro as a racehorse and if you cover up the name on the saddlecloth and just watched the races, you would come away thinking that this was one fine animal.

The thing is, if we are going to put it on paper, is his body of work before the derby out of this world? I mean it was good but nothing for the ages. A life and death win in the fla derby over sharp humor. A life and death win in the slop over Great Point. Two impressive turf wins. Nice resume but again, nothing for the ages and certainly, IMHO, not enough to put him over the likes of War Emblem.

I agree on the talent and i think he and bernardini would have been a nice matchup that year.
I remember the race differently than you. Barbaro won easily with Great Point flying past the quitters for place. There was no life or death about it. Great Point never saw anything other than Barbaro's behind.
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Old 08-09-2008, 04:21 AM
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I don't think Big Brown should be on there.

Sure he won 4 grade 1s....but any other horse on that list would beat him. It's just that because Big Brown is part of this generation, it makes him look impressive because there is no one else out there.

Even Funny Cide would beat Big Brown at their respective best form. Funny Cide ran beyers of 110, 109 I think, and 114 in his Wood Memorial to Preakness run.

What is Big Brown's highest beyer on dirt...109?
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Old 08-09-2008, 04:23 AM
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errr unless this list is just on accomplishments only and not on ability...in which case then yeah Big Brown should be up there...
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Old 08-09-2008, 11:00 PM
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errr unless this list is just on accomplishments only and not on ability...in which case then yeah Big Brown should be up there...
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Old 08-10-2008, 12:31 PM
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Great race and great call by Durkin. Blushing John was no slouch either.

The glass-half-empty side of me can't help thinking 'what if Alysheba had run as a 5-yr-old and made it to that race?!'.

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Old 08-10-2008, 12:47 PM
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The call does prove one thing...Durkin has lost his passion for race calling. I was noticing this year at Saratoga that he seems to be just mailing in his calls. I think he will hang it up soon.

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Great race and great call by Durkin. Blushing John was no slouch either.

The glass-half-empty side of me can't help thinking 'what if Alysheba had run as a 5-yr-old and made it to that race?!'.

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Old 08-09-2008, 02:25 PM
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Without giving it deep thought and without ranking them, here are the ones I'd have on the list for sure:

Smarty Jones
Bernardini
Tiznow
Point Given
Fusaichi Pegasus
Ghostzapper
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Old 08-09-2008, 09:42 PM
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My top five 3YOs of this decade so far:

1. Curlin
2. Point Given
3. Tiznow
4. Barbaro
5. Afleet Alex

most overrated: FuPeg--absolute dream pace setup in KY Derby
best losing performance: Congaree in the 2001 Derby
worst winner of a Triple Crown race: tie between Commendable, Da Tara and the McPeek runner (can't even remember the name) who won the Belmont at something like 60-1.
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Old 08-09-2008, 09:50 PM
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This decade 2000-2008 critaria :

Medaglia D'oro should be on any list.
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Old 08-09-2008, 10:33 PM
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This decade 2000-2008 critaria :

Medaglia D'oro should be on any list.
for ten most overrated? 17 starts, 8 wins. no horse has gotten more credit for all his second place finishes than this guy.
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Old 08-09-2008, 10:48 PM
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g zapper..pre hurt..

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Old 08-10-2008, 07:54 PM
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for ten most overrated? 17 starts, 8 wins. no horse has gotten more credit for all his second place finishes than this guy.
For argument's sake I am curious who would you rank as your top 10 3yr olds this decade?
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Old 08-09-2008, 10:18 PM
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My top five 3YOs of this decade so far:

1. Curlin
2. Point Given
3. Tiznow
4. Barbaro
5. Afleet Alex

most overrated: FuPeg--absolute dream pace setup in KY Derby
best losing performance: Congaree in the 2001 Derby
worst winner of a Triple Crown race: tie between Commendable, Da Tara and the McPeek runner (can't even remember the name) who won the Belmont at something like 60-1.

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Old 08-10-2008, 08:13 PM
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My top five 3YOs of this decade so far:

1. Curlin
2. Point Given
3. Tiznow
4. Barbaro
5. Afleet Alex

most overrated: FuPeg--absolute dream pace setup in KY Derby
best losing (heroic) performance: Smarty Jones - Belmont
worst winner of a Triple Crown race: tie between Commendable, Da Tara and the McPeek runner (can't even remember the name) who won the Belmont at something like 60-1.
Solid list also. Thanks for putting this up to Gander and the rest so I could go back and watch some of the races. One change that I must insist on despite my partial nature towards Congaree.
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