BB vs Curlin

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Gander

For us fans the easiest solution is to ship Big Brown to Saratoga and run him in what is shaping up to be a pretty darn good Woodward field.

IEAH is saying the Travers comes up too soon, okay. The Woodward would give them 1 extra week of rest.

I understand the money at stake from a breeding perspective, but dont these guys have all the money in the world already and wheres the sporting attitude? They talk a huge game but when it comes time for an opportunity to back up their big mouths, they bring up the breeding talk and money, and blah blah blah.

Its too bad breeding plays such a heavy role in the product that gets put out there for racing. It would be great to see this race and I am not a particularly huge fan of either horse.

If you really think about it, and I could be wrong, but they really have nothing to lose in running against Curlin, except getting their ego crushed.

If they lose to Curlin, which would probably happen, he is a 3 year old going up against older running against what will be the all time leading money earner

If they win though, they just beat the all time leading money winner, beat older, and probably enhanced their breeding value.

Massive mouths with little between the legs.....

Me personally, I would take Curlin and lay 4 lengths on a dirt surface, and if they faced on turf I would probably take Curlin and lay 1.5 lengths.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by Scav

If you really think about it, and I could be wrong, but they really have nothing to lose in running against Curlin, except getting their ego crushed.

If they lose to Curlin, which would probably happen, he is a 3 year old going up against older running against what will be the all time leading money earner

If they win though, they just beat the all time leading money winner, beat older, and probably enhanced their breeding value.

Massive mouths with little between the legs.....

Me personally, I would take Curlin and lay 4 lengths on a dirt surface, and if they faced on turf I would probably take Curlin and lay 1.5 lengths.

Absolutely agree 100%. The Brown team has little to lose in breeding value with something to gain. Running second to Curlin would be the expected result of most any 3yo vs a 4yo champion. If they beat him, jeez....With a massive stud deal already signed, I just don't see the point of finding a 3yo turf race with a moderate purse whether it's a graded stakes or not.

[Antitrust32]

I would lay Curlin 1 and 1/2 lengths on the dirt... I feel Big Brown could very well beat Curlin on the grass though.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I would lay Curlin 1 and 1/2 lengths on the dirt... I feel Big Brown could very well beat Curlin on the grass though.

I do too. I wasnt impressed with Curlin's turf debut. I dont think he he caught either Red Rocks or Better Talk Now in their primes, so I am not buying the fact that both are BC champions. They are but neither of them are where they were in terms of form when they won their BC races.

As far as dirt goes, although I think Curlin is the better animal, I wouldnt take a short price on him against Big brown, strictly from the tactical advantage Big Brown would have in the race.

I'd love to see either scenario but we as fans know better that we wont get these kinds of matchups anymore. This isnt the 90's anymore.

[Thunder Gulch]

Curlin's best is 3-5 lengths better than Brown, IMO, at 10f on dirt...we'll probably never know.

I don't know what to think on turf. Curlin's effort was his first, and he could improve dramatically in his second on that surface. Beating Better Talk Now is more than Brown has done by crushing some maidens.