PGA Championship

Some of them are complaining that they are leaving
indented footprints on the greens they are so dry.
Dont think that is right. Course is tough enough.

[Crown@club]

Furyk playing like me or I'm playing like Furyk. Its 18 holes of Golf not 15!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Some of them are complaining that they are leaving
indented footprints on the greens they are so dry.
Dont think that is right. Course is tough enough.

It's not too anything. The thing that is throwing some of them off is "the difference" between the hardness of Thursday's greens versus the softer greens they played their practice rounds on. You have to understand these are spoiled people. They want to win majors, but they don't want to have to work hard to do it. They want to be able to shoot at pins, and it's just not gunna be that way as much as they would like it to be. If a guy who is a teaching pro can shoot 1 over, then it isn't too hard .
Frank Esposito
Birthplace: Staten Island, N.Y.
Residence: Monroe, N.J.
Age: 45
Turned Pro: 1986
College: Rutgers
Eligibility Code: 7
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PGA head professional at Brooklake Country Club in Florham Park, N.J. . Tied for 19th in the 2008 PGA Professional National Championship and won a playoff on the third extra hole to earn a berth in the 90th PGA Championship.
The PGA PRO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP is limited to teaching pros. He came 19th against teaching pros, and shot 1 over today. Billy Mayfair shot -1 today. This is not a great player. This is pretty much a Smurf. So, if somebody can't shoot atleast +1 on this course, then they just aren't playing that great.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

It's not too anything. The thing that is throwing some of them off is "the difference" between the hardness of Thursday's greens versus the softer greens they played their practice rounds on. You have to understand these are spoiled people. They want to win majors, but they don't want to have to work hard to do it. They want to be able to shoot at pins, and it's just not gunna be that way as much as they would like it to be. If a guy who is a teaching pro can shoot 1 over, then it isn't too hard .
Frank Esposito
Birthplace: Staten Island, N.Y.
Residence: Monroe, N.J.
Age: 45
Turned Pro: 1986
College: Rutgers
Eligibility Code: 7
View scorecard

PGA head professional at Brooklake Country Club in Florham Park, N.J. . Tied for 19th in the 2008 PGA Professional National Championship and won a playoff on the third extra hole to earn a berth in the 90th PGA Championship.
The PGA PRO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP is limited to teaching pros. He came 19th against teaching pros, and shot 1 over today. Billy Mayfair shot -1 today. This is not a great player. This is pretty much a Smurf. So, if somebody can't shoot atleast +1 on this course, then they just aren't playing that great.

Not limited to teaching pros.

[GPK]

Scuds, the 20 PGA Club Pros that are playing this week get there from a couple different qualifying levels. Again, they are not all teaching pros.

There are 41 PGA sections in the U.S. Every summer, each section has it's own C.P.C. (Club Pro Championship). Each section sends a certain number of qualifiers to the National C.P.C., based on the number of players. The section I am in, Middle Atlantic Section is having our C.P.C. in just a couple weeks in Williamsburg, VA. The top 11 finishers from our section will then advance to the National CPC in Santa Ana Pueblo, New Mexico at the end of June next year. The top 20 finishers in New Mexico will then play in the 2009 PGA Championship at Hazletine in Minn.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GPK

Scuds, the 20 PGA Club Pros that are playing this week get there from a couple different qualifying levels. Again, they are not all teaching pros.

There are 41 PGA sections in the U.S. Every summer, each section has it's own C.P.C. (Club Pro Championship). Each section sends a certain number of qualifiers to the National C.P.C., based on the number of players. The section I am in, Middle Atlantic Section is having our C.P.C. in just a couple weeks in Williamsburg, VA. The top 11 finishers from our section will then advance to the National CPC in Santa Ana Pueblo, New Mexico at the end of June next year. The top 20 finishers in New Mexico will then play in the 2009 PGA Championship at Hazletine in Minn.

Whatever they are, they aren't on our major(PGA TOUR) or minor tours(Nationwide.) They aren't on the Euro PGA TOUR either. Whoever they are, they aren't on one of the 3 best golf tours in the World. I don't know why they let them play in a major golf tournament if they aren't on a major tour, but if one of them can shoot +1 on this course set up, then it's proof to me that the course is not as hard as these guys are making it out to be. They just aren't hitting it straight, and you have to in majors.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Kev, they shouldn't have these guys in a major golf tournament. Each year, one of them shoots a good round, and then blows up like a child with a disease. They shouldn't be taking spots that people on pro golf tours should have. There is a reason these guys aren't on pro tours.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

+12,+13,+14,+15,+16(one f'n round,) +17,+19,+21,+22,+24

What's the point in this here?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Kev, they shouldn't have these guys in a major golf tournament. Each year, one of them shoots a good round, and then blows up like a child with a disease. They shouldn't be taking spots that people on pro golf tours should have. There is a reason these guys aren't on pro tours.

Its the PGA Championship...which means its OUR championship. Certain amount of slot are set aside every year for PGA Members...and that is the way it should be. The guys that aren't PGA Members have all year long to try and qualify for the tournament, we only have ONE event all year that we are able to qualify through. If those guys can't get in after having all year to qualify, TOUGH SH*T. The PGA Championship should always reserve spots for a limited amount of Club Pros to get in.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

It's not too anything. The thing that is throwing some of them off is "the difference" between the hardness of Thursday's greens versus the softer greens they played their practice rounds on. You have to understand these are spoiled people. They want to win majors, but they don't want to have to work hard to do it. .

Maybe the gripe about the greens in not legit.

But if one did step on a green and it altered the
surface signficantly, and a player had to "read" 100's footprints
while determining the line... then we have a problem.

I mean if they are really so spoiled make em play in a junkyard
with crushed metal car fairways. There is a point where a golfcourse
becomes ridiculous.

What is the last tournament anyone can remember that the course
was really unfair in this way... randomness played too significant a role
to the point where good shotmaking did not lead to an advantage (a great drive bounced
the wrong way off the hood of one of a million junkcars that would be struck anywhere you hit the ball)?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I've seen it where they really have trouble getting putts to stop rolling on greens. In the U.S. Open(way far out on Long Island,) and in Australia. In Australia, I saw them actually throw out scores of people who had finished playing the 1st round. They had everyone start the tournament (brand new) on Friday.