Trying To Make Money On Big Brown Today...

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by Danzig

most?! most agree that alex was great? his recovery and win in the preakness was amazing, but he is not, and was not a great horse.

OK Danzig, I will yield to your description that Afleet Alex's win and recovery in the Preakness was "amazing" or their thesaurus meanings like
astonishing, astounding, fantastic, fantastical, incredible, marvelous, miraculous, phenomenal, prodigious, stupendous, unbelievable, wonderful, wondrous

So I stand corrected.......he was not great. I guess his Belmont romp and Kentucky Derby just miss were just as mediocre.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

OK Danzig, I will yield to your description that Afleet Alex's win and recovery in the Preakness was "amazing" or their thesaurus meanings like
astonishing, astounding, fantastic, fantastical, incredible, marvelous, miraculous, phenomenal, prodigious, stupendous, unbelievable, wonderful, wondrous

So I stand corrected.......he was not great. I guess his Belmont romp and Kentucky Derby just miss were just as mediocre.

how is saying a horse is not great saying a horse is mediocre? he may have been the best that year in that crop, doesn't mean he was great.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by Danzig

how is saying a horse is not great saying a horse is mediocre? he may have been the best that year in that crop, doesn't mean he was great.

OK that was a fair challenge and I have no comeback. You didn't say mediocre, I did. At the same time, I think you are equally as off by using the word ordinary for Big Brown. At least he's got to be a "good" horse?

But I do pledge this to you and everybody else who is not a believer in Big Brown. If Big Brown wins the Breeders Cup Classic....he will be considered a great horse.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

OK that was a fair challenge and I have no comeback. You didn't say mediocre, I did. At the same time, I think you are equally as off by using the word ordinary for Big Brown. At least he's got to be a "good" horse?

But I do pledge this to you and everybody else who is not a believer in Big Brown. If Big Brown wins the Breeders Cup Classic....he will be considered a great horse.

huh?

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

huh?

Not sure why you are stumped? So he would not be great IF he wins two Triple Crown Races, Two Grade One Races, and the BCC?

[hockey2315]

Why would he be "great" if he beats more bad horses in the BC? The only way you could even make an argument for him being "great" - which in my opinion is a waste of time anyways - is if he were to face Curlin and beat him on dirt. . . which he could never do.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Why would he be "great" if he beats more bad horses in the BC? The only way you could even make an argument for him being "great" - which in my opinion is a waste of time anyways - is if he were to face Curlin and beat him on dirt. . . which he could never do.

I'm pretty certain that Big Brown will be in a race featuring the best of the best which is the whole purpose of this race. Hopefully this weeds out the bad horses.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Not sure why you are stumped? So he would not be great IF he wins two Triple Crown Races, Two Grade One Races, and the BCC?

no. he'll be a multiple grade one winner, but that doesn't automatically make him great. lucky maybe, but not great.


look at it this way...if i win the powerball when it's a quarter of a billion dollars, i'd be rich. does that mean i'm the equivalent of warren buffet?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Not sure why you are stumped? So he would not be great IF he wins two Triple Crown Races, Two Grade One Races, and the BCC?

did you bet him in his first start..on the turf ..i did ..hes ok but any top 3 runner in ANY TC RACE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS WOULD SMOKE HIM.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

did you bet him in his first start..on the turf ..i did ..hes ok but any top 3 runner in ANY TC RACE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS WOULD SMOKE HIM.

I have bet him five races so far. The last five. I missed the Allowance race if I am correct but not sure if that was his first.

If there was a way to bet against your Top 3 TC in the last 10 year statement, I would take some serious cash from you. You are really putting all 30 of those horses or duplicates against beating Big Brown every time? C'mon.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

did you bet him in his first start..on the turf ..i did ..hes ok but any top 3 runner in ANY TC RACE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS WOULD SMOKE HIM.

this is a insane statement hooves. ANY TC RACE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS?? Are you fing kidding me???

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Not sure why you are stumped? So he would not be great IF he wins two Triple Crown Races, Two Grade One Races, and the BCC?

I think that equates into a great year.. but I dont know about a "great" horse. Peoples definitions of "great" vary. If your definition of "great" means top 100 horse of all time, then Big Brown doesnt fit. not even close. If your definition of "great" is winning the Florida Derby, Kentucky Derby, Preakness, and Haskell... then Big Brown is "great". Its very subjective. Dont feel bad everyone here gives everyone crap about their opinions (myself included).

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Not sure why you are stumped? So he would not be great IF he wins two Triple Crown Races, Two Grade One Races, and the BCC?

Consider this horse:

1978 PLEASANT COLONY,Dkbbr,c,His Majesty 2 14 6 3 1 965,383 71.10
DP = 7-1-25-1-4 DI = 1.17 CD = 0.16
At 2 Won Remsen S. -G2 (100,000), 2nd Pilgrim S. (50,000)
At 3 Won Kentucky Derby -G1 (200,000), Preakness S. -G1 (200,000),
Woodward S. -G1 (200,000), Wood Memorial -G1 (150,000), 2nd Travers S. -G1 (200,000), Fountain Of Youth S. -G3 (65,000), 3rd Belmont S. -G1 (200,000)

A very nice 3yo, beat his elders in the Woodward (10f and more important in those days, not just a rerun of the Whitney), no BC Classic around for him then. But not a great horse by anyone's calculation.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

huh?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

OK that was a fair challenge and I have no comeback. You didn't say mediocre, I did. At the same time, I think you are equally as off by using the word ordinary for Big Brown. At least he's got to be a "good" horse?

But I do pledge this to you and everybody else who is not a believer in Big Brown. If Big Brown wins the Breeders Cup Classic....he will be considered a great horse.

i don't think he's anything special, as i don't think he has proven himself. he's been a beneficiary of a down year. most years he'd be an also ran, so why should he get a pass because he's a brighter spot compared to the rest of the crop this year? it doesn't work that way. some crops are great- the crop which included iron liege, bold ruler and round table for one, the crop which included secretariat and forego is another-or affirmed and alydar to name a few-some are deep-such as last years with three winners in three classics, with any given saturday and hard spun playing spoiler at times. some are like this year, which is absolutely a down year. big brown, when compared to good horses the last few years, is not great, or even very good. as for the classic, unless he faces curlin, and wins, he won't be anything more than ordinary, as we have pretty much conceded that this years older horses (other than curlin) is a joke.