Tues. 08/05 ATR what a depressing show

[DogsUp]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I understand what you are saying. I said on the air exactly what you said in your last sentence but the connections are the ones who provide fodder for talk radio shows and newspaper columnists. Jackson is the one who continues to talk of Curlins legacy. Iavarone and Dutrow have certainly said enough not to have to rehash here. When they make the statements like they have, they are the ones who are putting their horses in a historical context. Big Brown has won the Fl Derby, Ky Derby, Preakness and Haskell. Pretty good but far from much different than any number of horses in the last 10 years, none of which had connections that wanted praise heaped upon their horse like the IEAH gang and Dutrow. As far as Curlin, he has won the Ark Derby, Preakness, Gold Cup, Classic, Dubai WC, and Steven Foster. Pretty nice record but not that different than Silver Charm or Real Quiet who never had their "legacy" discussed in hushed tones. They may be the most visable horses racing right now but that doesnt mean that we cant critique their performances (as BB's simply wasnt very inspiring) or their place in history (where exactly does Curlin fit?) in critical fashion.

Very good point. I like when owners and trainers stay quiet and let the horse do the talking. Call me old fashion, but I do not like self promotion. Since you are a trainer...why do you think "legacy" is so important to them? Is it all ego driven?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

Very good point. I like when owners and trainers stay quiet and let the horse do the talking. Call me old fashion, but I do not like self promotion. Since you are a trainer...why do you think "legacy" is so important to them? Is it all ego driven?

In Jacksons case absolutely. The IEAH guys are trying to "promote" their investment in him. They took a large gamble when they decided to keep the majority of the horse as a stallion. They have lost a lot of "value" with his vunerability as he is not the "superhorse" they would have led you to believe. Not to mention they are still selling shares of IEAH and perhapps believe that any publicity is good publicity

[DogsUp]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

In Jacksons case absolutely. The IEAH guys are trying to "promote" their investment in him. They took a large gamble when they decided to keep the majority of the horse as a stallion. They have lost a lot of "value" with his vunerability as he is not the "superhorse" they would have led you to believe. Not to mention they are still selling shares of IEAH and perhapps believe that any publicity is good publicity

Do you know how much a share costs? And what is your opinion on these so called racing groups like Little Red Feather and IEAH?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

Do you know how much a share costs? And what is your opinion on these so called racing groups like Little Red Feather and IEAH?

I dont know the particulars but it is a pretty sizable amount. I think in general partnerships are a positive but they can stray out of bounds in many cases. I really dont know enough about either of these groups in particular but it seems from the investors i have spoke to who have been involved with numerous partnerships their reactions range from a really good experience to outright theivery.