red sox alert

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

It's funny how great managers can become medicore managers overnight.


But Manny being Franny should really help.

He has been mediocre for about 8 years. He had one of the best teams ever put together(from 1996-1999.) He had the right style to manage dominant talent. He doesn't have the right style to manage lazy people. I have a real disagreement with you over the "great manager" premise. He is gunna have to motivate a very lazy group here. These people don't have the inner desire to fight every nite. It either comes from him and his staff, or this bunch will come 2nd or 3rd each year, because this is a settling bunch of individuals. That group across from them last night has been scoring (in direct counter assault) whenever another team scores on them. Some call that scoring at will, but it isn't. It is scoring when somebody wants to take what you want. They have that desire. That's something Torre and his staff have been unable to instill in people for about 8 years.I've been watching this guy manage for about 2/3 of a season. I've seen most of the games. I once thought the guy had some part in those Yankee Championships. I don't think he had nearly as much to do with those as he had to do with their playoff loses in this century.Now I know why they went out early in those playoff series. He can't motivate talented people that are mentally weak. He has had the talent. He can't motivate it. You can get results from talented people in 2 ways.The Parcells way, or the Lasorda way. Everything else is in between those extremes. He does a half-a-s-s lukewarm Lasorda thing that doesn't work. Worked great with huge talent '96-'99, but hasn't worked before, or since.

[gales0678]

Scuds - the Torre Yankees from those years where great teams no question

you had figheters , cone , pettite, boggs, tino , brosius , jeter , posoda , and of course the ultimate gamer in O'neill

He didn't really have to do much in 96. The team had a lead after 7 innings it was lights out with Rivera and Wetland coming in

They got better in '98 and '99 , could have won it all in 97 as well but Rivera got beat by Alomar in game 4

Joe was the perfect fit for that team , he didn't need to get these guys motivated , they all fed off of o'neil and cone

once those guys retired , it became a different team , it seemed to me that Joe's luck ran out when the dbacks beat him in 01. The team just didn't have the internal fire after that loss and it became harder and harder each year to win.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

He is o.k. tactically. Most of his decisions are good ones. Talented people aren't performing to their capability when he is in charge. That's their division rival, and they've scored 2 runs total in the 1st two games of the series against them. This is what took place when he managed the Yanks in the playoffs the last 6-7 years. The teams don't perform well offensively against good pitching. This is the fact. He has had the talent.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by gales0678

Scuds - the Torre Yankees from those years where great teams no question

you had figheters , cone , pettite, boggs, tino , brosius , jeter , posoda , and of course the ultimate gamer in O'neill

He didn't really have to do much in 96. The team had a lead after 7 innings it was lights out with Rivera and Wetland coming in

They got better in '98 and '99 , could have won it all in 97 as well but Rivera got beat by Alomar in game 4

Joe was the perfect fit for that team , he didn't need to get these guys motivated , they all fed off of o'neil and cone

once those guys retired , it became a different team , it seemed to me that Joe's luck ran out when the dbacks beat him in 01. The team just didn't have the internal fire after that loss and it became harder and harder each year to win.

I agree with much of this. To add, remember that Torre brought that "national league style" to the american league in 96. Before that, there wasnt a whole lot of small ball being played.

I think many observers underestimate how much impact Zim had on those teams. The Yankees won only one playoff series since he left if im not mistaken. Zim was the tactician of the two.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He has been mediocre for about 8 years. He had one of the best teams ever put together(from 1996-1999.) He had the right style to manage dominant talent. He doesn't have the right style to manage lazy people. I have a real disagreement with you over the "great manager" premise. He is gunna have to motivate a very lazy group here. These people don't have the inner desire to fight every nite. It either comes from him and his staff, or this bunch will come 2nd or 3rd each year, because this is a settling bunch of individuals. That group across from them last night has been scoring (in direct counter assault) whenever another team scores on them. Some call that scoring at will, but it isn't. It is scoring when somebody wants to take what you want. They have that desire. That's something Torre and his staff have been unable to instill in people for about 8 years.I've been watching this guy manage for about 2/3 of a season. I've seen most of the games. I once thought the guy had some part in those Yankee Championships. I don't think he had nearly as much to do with those as he had to do with their playoff loses in this century.Now I know why they went out early in those playoff series. He can't motivate talented people that are mentally weak. He has had the talent. He can't motivate it. You can get results from talented people in 2 ways.The Parcells way, or the Lasorda way. Everything else is in between those extremes. He does a half-a-s-s lukewarm Lasorda thing that doesn't work. Worked great with huge talent '96-'99, but hasn't worked before, or since.

Jesus.





I was being sarcastic.



80 to 90% of managers are interchangeable..ie.....they would make no difference to a team. The rest split as being incompetent and very good.


Difference makers.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Jesus.





I was being sarcastic.



80 to 90% of managers are interchangeable..ie.....they would make no difference to a team. The rest split as being incompetent and very good.


Difference makers.

^^ Theo Epstein

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by GPK

^^ Theo Epstein

Who the fucl< is that?












Brother.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Who the fucl< is that?












Brother.

[Mortimer]

Well I don't know who the fucl< it is!

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Well I don't know who the fucl< it is!

[goingtothewhip]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Jesus.


80 to 90% of managers are interchangeable..ie.....they would make no difference to a team. The rest split as being incompetent and very good.


Difference makers.

fat jockeys.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

They've lost 30 games this year when scoring 1 run or less. I think other men could have cut that number down substantially. I don't think it would have taken place if Scioscia was in charge. I don't think it would have taken place if Joe Madden(Rays manager) was in charge. Torre is pretty good with knowing his pitchers, but I don't think he is much on offense. You have to be atleast a quarter ****** to keep playing Andruw. How stupid are you, Joe? He ain't having bad luck. K/ HE WHIFFS on 3 pitches-5 pitches. He is done. Come on. He basically is wearing a fkn moomoo out there. Andruw Trifecta:

1-fat,
2-slow,
3- whiffs like an old woman

Last shot for that loser is to lose weight, and hope he picks up quickness. The bat may feel quicker to him. Try something new. He has no clue what to do. Send him to a fat farm for a month. You can't keep being Joe (quarter ******.) Until he reduces, stop playing him. Being a nice fkn' guy got you a .500 record. Stop being a nice Bigelow Green Tea drinker("been my choice for years.") That commercial is killing me. I can't take it much longer. It's run it's course.

"Not only do I bleed Dodger Blue, I go green. Bigelow Green, that is. It's been my green tea of choice for years now."-JOE.....Please J.C. take some time off from doing the Bewitched thing with bread n' fish, and save us from this one catastrophy.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Suffered through this one, but the green tea commercial is the back breaker. It's cumulative damage.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTA0MrXOlnc

[SCUDSBROTHER]

oh noooo.............omg..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgcv9E3zMCk

[SCUDSBROTHER]

http://www.bigelowteablog.com/2007/0...and-joe-torre/

play the mp3 labeled

"bigelow-tea-steve-somers.mp3"

That's a riot. "Green tea with peach."........LOL