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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I strongly disagree. Regardless of all those factors that you mention, and i really dont debate the fielding and base running, Manny is still a force in the middle of the order. Some of Manny's value is less tangible in that sense. Even at 36, he still strikes fear as the anchor to this lineup.

If you are Girardi, are you really going to have much trouble instructing your reliever in the 8th of a tight game to pitch around Pappi to get to...Jason Bay????????????

Manny is one of the few hitters in the game that can singlehandedly power an offense. He is still that good.

Giant hole in the middle of the Sox order now.

The numbers simply dont bear this out. Manny is still a feared hitter when his head is in the game. If you have been watching lately you will have seen its not. The drop off in production to Bay is not that great.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The numbers simply dont bear this out. Manny is still a feared hitter when his head is in the game. If you have been watching lately you will have seen its not. The drop off in production to Bay is not that great.

We are in the dog days of august starting tomorrow and we just got through july. Of course Manny's loafing...he's been loafing for the last 8 years. Thats Manny. But are you trying to tell me that when it gets to september and beyond that manny's head wont be there? Come on Chuck.

Do numbers really tell the whole tale? Do regular season numbers make a hill of bean of difference in October and beyond? Manny is one of those players with that intangible "it" even at 36. He is in the same class of hitter as Vlad. He strikes fear in the hearts of opposing pitchers and managers. other teams have to play around him. No one has to play around Jason Bay no matter what his numbers are.

Not only do they trade him but they also agree to pick up salary and give away a couple of decent prospects?

My respect for Theo Epstein has seriously subsided.

And its a great day to be a Yankee fan.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

We are in the dog days of august starting tomorrow and we just got through july. Of course Manny's loafing...he's been loafing for the last 8 years. Thats Manny. But are you trying to tell me that when it gets to september and beyond that manny's head wont be there? Come on Chuck.

Do numbers really tell the whole tale? Do regular season numbers make a hill of bean of difference in October and beyond? Manny is one of those players with that intangible "it" even at 36. He is in the same class of hitter as Vlad. He strikes fear in the hearts of opposing pitchers and managers. other teams have to play around him. No one has to play around Jason Bay no matter what his numbers are.

Not only do they trade him but they also agree to pick up salary and give away a couple of decent prospects?

My respect for Theo Epstein has seriously subsided.

And its a great day to be a Yankee fan.

You are living in the past. There is no bigger Vlad fan than me but he is slipping too. Manny cant just turn it on anymore like he used to. Not to mention that his conduct has been way out of bounds this year and it really isnt funny when he is assaulting people or striking out on purpose or hitting the ball and just walking to the dugout. Manny was a great hitter but he aint anymore and with all the other things going on they obviously felt they needed to get him out of there. The prospects they gave up arent in their plans anyway and they make so much money they could pick up the entire Dodgres roster and it wouldnt hurt too much.

Bay is better than the Yankees LF of the day btw.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are living in the past. There is no bigger Vlad fan than me but he is slipping too. Manny cant just turn it on anymore like he used to. Not to mention that his conduct has been way out of bounds this year and it really isnt funny when he is assaulting people or striking out on purpose or hitting the ball and just walking to the dugout. Manny was a great hitter but he aint anymore and with all the other things going on they obviously felt they needed to get him out of there. The prospects they gave up arent in their plans anyway and they make so much money they could pick up the entire Dodgres roster and it wouldnt hurt too much.

Bay is better than the Yankees LF of the day btw.

Oh come on. Matsui is about to be back.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Oh come on. Matsui is about to be back.

Bay is better than Matsui, especially the unhealthy, diminishing skills version.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Bay is better than Matsui, especially the unhealthy, diminishing skills version.

Thats simply untrue. These were each's stats in last full year:

Bay
538 78 133 25 2 21 84 59 9 141 4 1 .247 .327 .418 .745

Matsui
547 100 156 28 4 25 103 73 73 4 2 .285 .367 .488 .855




Its not really close. Matsui hit for more power, struck out at half the rate and batted 40 pts higher. As a matter of fact, he was better in every category.

This year, matsui has been injured, but he still batting 323.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Thats simply untrue. These were each's stats in last full year:

Bay
538 78 133 25 2 21 84 59 9 141 4 1 .247 .327 .418 .745

Matsui
547 100 156 28 4 25 103 73 73 4 2 .285 .367 .488 .855




Its not really close. Matsui hit for more power, struck out at half the rate and batted 40 pts higher. As a matter of fact, he was better in every category.

This year, matsui has been injured, but he still batting 323.

Matsui has had one full season out of the last 3. He is a liability in the field and should be really bad with one surgically repaired knee and another that needs surgery.
Naturally you chose to use Bays worst season by far as his first three seasons were very good and he is playing well this year. And with the news that Matsui's doctor has urged him to have seaon ending surgery which he refuses to do I would assume that Nady/Damon will be your left fielder and Matsui the DH until he is placed back on the DL.