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Old 07-31-2008, 05:48 PM
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"Take a sled and slide down slope,

Come back later for your goat,

I dont' care how you get here,

just- get here if you can"


LOL...Can't remember the lyrics...FCK PIERRE...FCK ANDRUW....Kemp in Center, Ethier in right, and funny hair in left. Latins are usually happy here. I want to be the bug on the wall when Kent and Manny meet.

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Old 07-31-2008, 05:54 PM
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Does anyone know anything about the players the Pirates got? The usual crap or a couple of descent prospects?
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Old 07-31-2008, 06:04 PM
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Does anyone know anything about the players the Pirates got? The usual crap or a couple of descent prospects?
Hansen was the sox number 1 pick in 2005. Yeah, I would say he is a decent prospect.

The other guy might start right away.

Boston gave up a lot.
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Old 07-31-2008, 06:39 PM
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Atleast the Dodgers get to try him out before paying him anything.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:37 PM
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Atleast the Dodgers get to try him out before paying him anything.
That's the only good part. I was really happy to hear the the Red Sox were going to dump Manny(because I cant stand watching him when the Angels play the Red Sox), now I have to see his big old downs syndrom head with the Dodgers. What make the Dodger think that Manny is going to help when he is going to be seeing pitchers he has not faced before in the N.L.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:49 PM
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That's the only good part. I was really happy to hear the the Red Sox were going to dump Manny(because I cant stand watching him when the Angels play the Red Sox), now I have to see his big old downs syndrom head with the Dodgers. What make the Dodger think that Manny is going to help when he is going to be seeing pitchers he has not faced before in the N.L.
Manny has destroyed National league pitchers during interleague play
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:52 PM
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Hansen was the sox number 1 pick in 2005. Yeah, I would say he is a decent prospect.

The other guy might start right away.

Boston gave up a lot.
Not really. Boston has better and younger prospects than either of these 2 guys. Moss wasnt going to be more than a 4th OF for them and Hansen is replaceable.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:53 PM
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Not really. Boston has better and younger prospects than either of these 2 guys. Moss wasnt going to be more than a 4th OF for them and Hansen is replaceable.
i hear you. I am just saying that they gave up:

two prospects

7 million dollars

and one of the most feared hitters in baseball

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Old 07-31-2008, 08:03 PM
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i hear you. I am just saying that they gave up:

two prospects

7 million dollars

and one of the most feared hitters in baseball

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Jason Bay
He has 20 HR's not 40. He isnt driving in 140 runs a year anymore and his conduct has been deplorable even for him. as a yankee fan I'm sure you rarely watch the pirates but until bay had an off year in 07 he was regarded as good as guys like Matt Holiday. He was rookie of the year in 04 and an All star in 05 and 06. it isnt like they got Dave Roberts for him
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Old 07-31-2008, 08:25 PM
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Take it from a Sox fan......this was a divorce that was waiting to happen.
I certainly appreciate everything that Manny has done for the organization.
Let's face it, without him we don't win in '04 or '07. The problem is, Manny was never the type of guy who you could completely embrace. He's always been a headcase and as long as he was putting the numbers up, the Sox fans were always willing to look the other way. He's a desperate man right now. He's getting older and he's not going to get the contract he's banking on for next year. I'll always remember the big hits and the "Manny being Manny" moments, but in the end, he's just another very talented athlete who thinks he's bigger than the game.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:50 PM
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Does anyone know anything about the players the Pirates got? The usual crap or a couple of descent prospects?
La Roche is a top prospect who is ready now (14th best prospect in baseball coming into the year and most of the guys ahead of him are already major league regulars)
Morris was a number 1 pick in the 2006 draft, had Tommy John surgery and missed last year. Had a good comeback year at class A and is a good prospect but is a few years away.
Moss is a ready for majors player who may develop into a .280 20 HR 95 Rbi guy. He turns 25 in a month.
Hansen is a number 1 pick as a RP who hasnt panned out yet but has great stuff.

They got 3 guys who should be playing in the majors soon and one potentially good pitcher down the road. For one guy who was probably only going to be there one more year anyway they got 2 starters at 3b and LF and a potential future closer. Not bad
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Old 07-31-2008, 08:14 PM
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La Roche is a top prospect who is ready now (14th best prospect in baseball coming into the year and most of the guys ahead of him are already major league regulars)
Morris was a number 1 pick in the 2006 draft, had Tommy John surgery and missed last year. Had a good comeback year at class A and is a good prospect but is a few years away.
Moss is a ready for majors player who may develop into a .280 20 HR 95 Rbi guy. He turns 25 in a month.
Hansen is a number 1 pick as a RP who hasnt panned out yet but has great stuff.

They got 3 guys who should be playing in the majors soon and one potentially good pitcher down the road. For one guy who was probably only going to be there one more year anyway they got 2 starters at 3b and LF and a potential future closer. Not bad
Thanks Chuck I appreciate the input. The local media ( because of advertising $$$) doesn't always paint a clear picture.
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Thanks Chuck I appreciate the input. The local media ( because of advertising $$$) doesn't always paint a clear picture.
The Pirates seemingly did pretty good though I dont underestimate thier ability to srew them up
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Thanks Chuck I appreciate the input. The local media ( because of advertising $$$) doesn't always paint a clear picture.
from baseball prospectus

PITTSBURGH PIRATES

"Traded OF-R Jason Bay to the Red Sox; acquired 3B-R Andy LaRoche and RHP Bryan Morris from the Dodgers; acquired RHP Craig Hansen and 1B/OF-L Brandon Moss from the Red Sox; assigned Morris to Low-A Hickory; optioned MI-R Brian Bixler to Indianapolis (Triple-A); designated CF-L Chris Duffy and RHP Franquelis Osoria for assignment. [7/31]


If the trade with the Yankees was a tentative sort of thing involving the exchange of veteran mediocrities for an off-blue, chambray sort of blue-chipper and three nondescript upper-level hurlers, and the sort of thing that might have caused alarm, Pirates fans can take solace in this deal. This time, Neal Huntington and company got two much better prospects, better than anything they got from the Yankees, not to mention a pair of useful-enough filler types for an organization that needs bodies in every shape and size. While it cost them Bay, it brought them their new best player on the team, because LaRoche will be an All-Star-caliber hitter at third base now that he's free of a Dodgers organization that wasn't treating him at all fairly. Morris is a nifty add as well, a 2006 first-rounder coming back from a 2007 Tommy John surgery who's done good work with the Loons in Low-A, flashing low- to mid-90s heat, a new sinker, an improved change, and a nasty curve. He's been on a workload almost as monitored and structured as Clayton Kershaw's in his comeback, averaging less than five innings per start, but with 72 strikeouts and 31 walks in 81 2/3 IP and a GB/FB ratio of 1.7, he's flashing a live arm, and as a 21-year-old stripling, that's something to take an interest in.

The ballast from the Red Sox doesn't hurt, either. Hansen throws hard and heavy, and maybe an escape from the franchise that promoted him too aggressively will get the former St. John's closer his best shot at carving out a career for himself. Moss should make a nice enough fourth outfielder type on a team that should now be promoting Andrew McCutchen to take over in center, providing the pitching staff with the added benefit of getting a quality center fielder in place while shunting Nate McLouth to a corner and the defensive chores he's better equipped to deal with.

Again, to recap, if getting Tabata was a matter of taking a chance, then getting LaRoche is a case of swapping out an expensive, aging outfielder for a quality everyday player just at the start of his big-league career at a position of organizational need. Morris may well be the second-best prospect he acquired between the two deals, they added some elements of cost control by shedding Bay's contract, and perhaps more fundamentally they addressed their defensive inadequacies by bringing in a better third baseman and making room for a better center fielder (once McCutchen's up). That's the sort of broad-stroke improvements you have to tip your cap to when they're achieved. Huntington warned people off about his not making deals just to make them over the winter—having made this trade, it was clearly worth the wait."
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Old 08-01-2008, 09:08 AM
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Manny being Manny.



Watch him turn triples into singles...as a hitter---not an outfielder.



Watch him turn singles into triples...as an outfielder---not a hitter.



Watch him whizz.....in the outfield....not the clubhouse.



Watch him look like a vacuum cleaner...in the clubhouse---not the outfield.














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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...son&id=3513865

From Espn:


The eviction of Ramirez is a story with so many levels that it's impossible to sum them all up with a one-word label such as "winner" or "loser." We recognize that. There's also a value to subtracting a selfish, disruptive, divisive knucklehead like Manny from an otherwise-harmonious, purposeful clubhouse. We recognize that, too.

And Jason Bay is a heck of a player, one who can stick around and patrol left field in Fenway next year, too. We recognize all of that. Honestly, if the Red Sox went out now and won another World Series, it wouldn't shock us a bit.

[+] EnlargeOtto Greule Jr/Getty Images

The Dodgers, second-to-last in the NL in homers, could use Ramirez's bat.
But they still find themselves dumped into the Losers column of this opus because this trade marks the end of a special era in the life of their team. They have a different aura now than they had a week ago. And the reaction of folks all over their division to Manny's unceremonious exit -- an exit subsidized with $7 million of those hard-earned Red Sox dollars, we should note -- told us all we needed to know:

It felt like Mardi Gras for the rest of the AL East.

"Don't get me wrong," said an executive of one AL East club. "The Red Sox do a great job. They utilize every advantage they have, and they use all their resources as well as anyone. But sometimes, I don't think even they realized what they had in Manny. When Manny comes up, you feel like you have to pass out ex-lax to your whole team because everybody gets a sick feeling in their stomach -- especially when he had [David] Ortiz there in the middle with him.

"Look, Jason Bay is a great player. But he's not Manny. You're talking about one of the greatest right-handed hitters in the history of the game. I've seen so many situations where you'd think you've got a game, and then all of a sudden that guy came up and everything changed. I've seen what he does to pitchers. I've seen how he changes games. They'll miss that. That's all I can say."
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:31 PM
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You're on dope or cough syrup. WTF you think we got Blake for? This guy couldn't hit. That's why. Go get gone. ROACH VAMOOSE. Let him hit .220 over there. Let him hit .300 there. I don't care, cuz he was never gunna hit for L.A.
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LOL...They got Vin Scully giving out Manny's stat's while a video of Manny is playing. He is happy as can be in the video(waving to the camera.) Pretty funny.
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You're on dope or cough syrup. WTF you think we got Blake for? This guy couldn't hit. That's why. Go get gone. ROACH VAMOOSE. Let him hit .220 over there. Let him hit .300 there. I don't care, cuz he was never gunna hit for L.A.
Yeah he has really had a fair chance. He will be an all star within 3 years. You would have hated mike Schmidt as a rookie too...

By the way your GM is the worst in the league, hands down....so I'm gonna guess this deal will work out like his others...BAD!
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Yeah he has really had a fair chance. He will be an all star within 3 years. You would have hated mike Schmidt as a rookie too...

By the way your GM is the worst in the league, hands down....so I'm gonna guess this deal will work out like his others...BAD!
Look who is writing me about making decisions. Your gem keeps shining:

" On the hands, and so Andruw Jones strikes out on three pitches to go 0 for 3 tonite" - V Scully (tonite, but it could be most any night.)

We have 1 run tonite. Who do you think would of possibly helped us score more runs? Roach,or Manny? We have won how many playoff games in 20 years, and you want us to keep waiting for guys to learn to hit? Diamondback youngins can hit. Drew doesn't need to keep learnin' to hit. Too many excuses. Roach had plenty opportunities. He killed many a rally for us. G' BYE ANDY YA NO HIT'N ROACH. We have more than paid our dues waiting for kids to come around. BTW , the Diamondback position playing kids are better than ours. So, it really is paying off huh? We don't have luck with young hitters. We have luck with young pitchers. That's the way it just always is. They refuse to hit for power here. Is this not obvious? I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET PEOPLE THAT REALLY CAN HIT. We have had pitifully few do it. We don't have any quality hitters. That's been a 20 year problem(atleast.) You think waiting for more miracle youngins is gunna work? It hasn't ever worked here. We've never had any of these Hall of Fame hitters. This is yet another nite of getting 1 fkn run etc. Why don't you go through that before you tell us we're impatient? We have been patient. We have waited , and waited, and waited. Our fkn kids just lost to go 2 games back. These kids can't hit good pitching. They scored 1 run. No, I am not in favor of waiting for guys like roach to start hitting. FCK THAT.WE HAVE DONE THIS. DOESN'T WORK. THEY DON'T HIT. You just don't understand that prospects don't hit for this organization. They don't. They hit Washington, and the Giants. So what. Yeah, just hang on to the roach, and stand pat. Then lose the division by 7 games, and of course next year the kids will do miracles. Our kids can hit Frisco, cincy, Washington Houston. They can't hit against good teams. Simple as that. Can't you see this? The prospects aren't getting past this level. Not for us. They can't hit Webb, Zambrano. SABATHIA, HERRON. We've waited, They aren't gunna do it. Again tonite. They can't do it.

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