red sox alert

Cannon Shell · #1 07-31-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Wow. I cant believe Boston just gave up what all of that for Bay.

Like him or hate him, Manny is one of the most feared hitters in the game.

Gales, you were right.

Bye Bye Bo Sox.

Manny is slipping and his attitude sucks, he is a nightmare on the bases and his fielding is dreadful. He is going to be 37 and simply forced their hand with his actions. Bay's peak is obviously not near manny's but at this point he is a fine replacement and getting rid of Manny is addition by subtraction.

dalakhani · #2 07-31-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Manny is slipping and his attitude sucks, he is a nightmare on the bases and his fielding is dreadful. He is going to be 37 and simply forced their hand with his actions. Bay's peak is obviously not near manny's but at this point he is a fine replacement and getting rid of Manny is addition by subtraction.

I strongly disagree. Regardless of all those factors that you mention, and i really dont debate the fielding and base running, Manny is still a force in the middle of the order. Some of Manny's value is less tangible in that sense. Even at 36, he still strikes fear as the anchor to this lineup.

If you are Girardi, are you really going to have much trouble instructing your reliever in the 8th of a tight game to pitch around Pappi to get to...Jason Bay????????????

Manny is one of the few hitters in the game that can singlehandedly power an offense. He is still that good.

Giant hole in the middle of the Sox order now.

SCUDSBROTHER · #3 07-31-2008, 05:48 PM

"Take a sled and slide down slope,

Come back later for your goat,

I dont' care how you get here,

just- get here if you can"

LOL...Can't remember the lyrics...FCK PIERRE...FCK ANDRUW....Kemp in Center, Ethier in right, and funny hair in left. Latins are usually happy here. I want to be the bug on the wall when Kent and Manny meet.

3kings · #4 07-31-2008, 05:54 PM

Does anyone know anything about the players the Pirates got? The usual crap or a couple of descent prospects?

dalakhani · #5 07-31-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings

Does anyone know anything about the players the Pirates got? The usual crap or a couple of descent prospects?

Hansen was the sox number 1 pick in 2005. Yeah, I would say he is a decent prospect.

The other guy might start right away.

Boston gave up a lot.

SCUDSBROTHER · #6 07-31-2008, 06:39 PM

Atleast the Dodgers get to try him out before paying him anything.

2Hot4TV · #7 07-31-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Atleast the Dodgers get to try him out before paying him anything.

That's the only good part. I was really happy to hear the the Red Sox were going to dump Manny(because I cant stand watching him when the Angels play the Red Sox), now I have to see his big old downs syndrom head with the Dodgers. What make the Dodger think that Manny is going to help when he is going to be seeing pitchers he has not faced before in the N.L.

Cannon Shell · #8 07-31-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Hansen was the sox number 1 pick in 2005. Yeah, I would say he is a decent prospect.

The other guy might start right away.

Boston gave up a lot.

Not really. Boston has better and younger prospects than either of these 2 guys. Moss wasnt going to be more than a 4th OF for them and Hansen is replaceable.

dalakhani · #9 07-31-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not really. Boston has better and younger prospects than either of these 2 guys. Moss wasnt going to be more than a 4th OF for them and Hansen is replaceable.

i hear you. I am just saying that they gave up:

two prospects

7 million dollars

and one of the most feared hitters in baseball

for

Jason Bay

Cannon Shell · #10 07-31-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings

Does anyone know anything about the players the Pirates got? The usual crap or a couple of descent prospects?

La Roche is a top prospect who is ready now (14th best prospect in baseball coming into the year and most of the guys ahead of him are already major league regulars)
Morris was a number 1 pick in the 2006 draft, had Tommy John surgery and missed last year. Had a good comeback year at class A and is a good prospect but is a few years away.
Moss is a ready for majors player who may develop into a .280 20 HR 95 Rbi guy. He turns 25 in a month.
Hansen is a number 1 pick as a RP who hasnt panned out yet but has great stuff.

They got 3 guys who should be playing in the majors soon and one potentially good pitcher down the road. For one guy who was probably only going to be there one more year anyway they got 2 starters at 3b and LF and a potential future closer. Not bad

3kings · #11 07-31-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

La Roche is a top prospect who is ready now (14th best prospect in baseball coming into the year and most of the guys ahead of him are already major league regulars)
Morris was a number 1 pick in the 2006 draft, had Tommy John surgery and missed last year. Had a good comeback year at class A and is a good prospect but is a few years away.
Moss is a ready for majors player who may develop into a .280 20 HR 95 Rbi guy. He turns 25 in a month.
Hansen is a number 1 pick as a RP who hasnt panned out yet but has great stuff.

They got 3 guys who should be playing in the majors soon and one potentially good pitcher down the road. For one guy who was probably only going to be there one more year anyway they got 2 starters at 3b and LF and a potential future closer. Not bad

Thanks Chuck I appreciate the input. The local media ( because of advertising $$$) doesn't always paint a clear picture.

Cannon Shell · #12 07-31-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings

Thanks Chuck I appreciate the input. The local media ( because of advertising $$$) doesn't always paint a clear picture.

The Pirates seemingly did pretty good though I dont underestimate thier ability to srew them up

Cannon Shell · #13 08-01-2008, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 3kings

Thanks Chuck I appreciate the input. The local media ( because of advertising $$$) doesn't always paint a clear picture.

from baseball prospectus

PITTSBURGH PIRATES

"Traded OF-R Jason Bay to the Red Sox; acquired 3B-R Andy LaRoche and RHP Bryan Morris from the Dodgers; acquired RHP Craig Hansen and 1B/OF-L Brandon Moss from the Red Sox; assigned Morris to Low-A Hickory; optioned MI-R Brian Bixler to Indianapolis (Triple-A); designated CF-L Chris Duffy and RHP Franquelis Osoria for assignment. [7/31]

If the trade with the Yankees was a tentative sort of thing involving the exchange of veteran mediocrities for an off-blue, chambray sort of blue-chipper and three nondescript upper-level hurlers, and the sort of thing that might have caused alarm, Pirates fans can take solace in this deal. This time, Neal Huntington and company got two much better prospects, better than anything they got from the Yankees, not to mention a pair of useful-enough filler types for an organization that needs bodies in every shape and size. While it cost them Bay, it brought them their new best player on the team, because LaRoche will be an All-Star-caliber hitter at third base now that he's free of a Dodgers organization that wasn't treating him at all fairly. Morris is a nifty add as well, a 2006 first-rounder coming back from a 2007 Tommy John surgery who's done good work with the Loons in Low-A, flashing low- to mid-90s heat, a new sinker, an improved change, and a nasty curve. He's been on a workload almost as monitored and structured as Clayton Kershaw's in his comeback, averaging less than five innings per start, but with 72 strikeouts and 31 walks in 81 2/3 IP and a GB/FB ratio of 1.7, he's flashing a live arm, and as a 21-year-old stripling, that's something to take an interest in.

The ballast from the Red Sox doesn't hurt, either. Hansen throws hard and heavy, and maybe an escape from the franchise that promoted him too aggressively will get the former St. John's closer his best shot at carving out a career for himself. Moss should make a nice enough fourth outfielder type on a team that should now be promoting Andrew McCutchen to take over in center, providing the pitching staff with the added benefit of getting a quality center fielder in place while shunting Nate McLouth to a corner and the defensive chores he's better equipped to deal with.

Again, to recap, if getting Tabata was a matter of taking a chance, then getting LaRoche is a case of swapping out an expensive, aging outfielder for a quality everyday player just at the start of his big-league career at a position of organizational need. Morris may well be the second-best prospect he acquired between the two deals, they added some elements of cost control by shedding Bay's contract, and perhaps more fundamentally they addressed their defensive inadequacies by bringing in a better third baseman and making room for a better center fielder (once McCutchen's up). That's the sort of broad-stroke improvements you have to tip your cap to when they're achieved. Huntington warned people off about his not making deals just to make them over the winter—having made this trade, it was clearly worth the wait."

SCUDSBROTHER · #14 07-31-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

La Roche is a top prospect

You're on dope or cough syrup. WTF you think we got Blake for? This guy couldn't hit. That's why. Go get gone. ROACH VAMOOSE. Let him hit .220 over there. Let him hit .300 there. I don't care, cuz he was never gunna hit for L.A.

SCUDSBROTHER · #15 07-31-2008, 09:56 PM

LOL...They got Vin Scully giving out Manny's stat's while a video of Manny is playing. He is happy as can be in the video(waving to the camera.) Pretty funny.

Cannon Shell · #16 07-31-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You're on dope or cough syrup. WTF you think we got Blake for? This guy couldn't hit. That's why. Go get gone. ROACH VAMOOSE. Let him hit .220 over there. Let him hit .300 there. I don't care, cuz he was never gunna hit for L.A.

Yeah he has really had a fair chance. He will be an all star within 3 years. You would have hated mike Schmidt as a rookie too...

By the way your GM is the worst in the league, hands down....so I'm gonna guess this deal will work out like his others...BAD!

Cannon Shell · #17 07-31-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

I strongly disagree. Regardless of all those factors that you mention, and i really dont debate the fielding and base running, Manny is still a force in the middle of the order. Some of Manny's value is less tangible in that sense. Even at 36, he still strikes fear as the anchor to this lineup.

If you are Girardi, are you really going to have much trouble instructing your reliever in the 8th of a tight game to pitch around Pappi to get to...Jason Bay????????????

Manny is one of the few hitters in the game that can singlehandedly power an offense. He is still that good.

Giant hole in the middle of the Sox order now.

The numbers simply dont bear this out. Manny is still a feared hitter when his head is in the game. If you have been watching lately you will have seen its not. The drop off in production to Bay is not that great.

dalakhani · #18 07-31-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The numbers simply dont bear this out. Manny is still a feared hitter when his head is in the game. If you have been watching lately you will have seen its not. The drop off in production to Bay is not that great.

We are in the dog days of august starting tomorrow and we just got through july. Of course Manny's loafing...he's been loafing for the last 8 years. Thats Manny. But are you trying to tell me that when it gets to september and beyond that manny's head wont be there? Come on Chuck.

Do numbers really tell the whole tale? Do regular season numbers make a hill of bean of difference in October and beyond? Manny is one of those players with that intangible "it" even at 36. He is in the same class of hitter as Vlad. He strikes fear in the hearts of opposing pitchers and managers. other teams have to play around him. No one has to play around Jason Bay no matter what his numbers are.

Not only do they trade him but they also agree to pick up salary and give away a couple of decent prospects?

My respect for Theo Epstein has seriously subsided.

And its a great day to be a Yankee fan.

Cannon Shell · #19 07-31-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

We are in the dog days of august starting tomorrow and we just got through july. Of course Manny's loafing...he's been loafing for the last 8 years. Thats Manny. But are you trying to tell me that when it gets to september and beyond that manny's head wont be there? Come on Chuck.

Do numbers really tell the whole tale? Do regular season numbers make a hill of bean of difference in October and beyond? Manny is one of those players with that intangible "it" even at 36. He is in the same class of hitter as Vlad. He strikes fear in the hearts of opposing pitchers and managers. other teams have to play around him. No one has to play around Jason Bay no matter what his numbers are.

Not only do they trade him but they also agree to pick up salary and give away a couple of decent prospects?

My respect for Theo Epstein has seriously subsided.

And its a great day to be a Yankee fan.

You are living in the past. There is no bigger Vlad fan than me but he is slipping too. Manny cant just turn it on anymore like he used to. Not to mention that his conduct has been way out of bounds this year and it really isnt funny when he is assaulting people or striking out on purpose or hitting the ball and just walking to the dugout. Manny was a great hitter but he aint anymore and with all the other things going on they obviously felt they needed to get him out of there. The prospects they gave up arent in their plans anyway and they make so much money they could pick up the entire Dodgres roster and it wouldnt hurt too much.

Bay is better than the Yankees LF of the day btw.

dalakhani · #20 07-31-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are living in the past. There is no bigger Vlad fan than me but he is slipping too. Manny cant just turn it on anymore like he used to. Not to mention that his conduct has been way out of bounds this year and it really isnt funny when he is assaulting people or striking out on purpose or hitting the ball and just walking to the dugout. Manny was a great hitter but he aint anymore and with all the other things going on they obviously felt they needed to get him out of there. The prospects they gave up arent in their plans anyway and they make so much money they could pick up the entire Dodgres roster and it wouldnt hurt too much.

Bay is better than the Yankees LF of the day btw.

Oh come on. Matsui is about to be back.