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Old 07-30-2008, 10:08 AM
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There is a hint of truth to it if you actually believe this is the case. I read in the paper that Iran is giving up their nuclear program too...
No doubt... even if everything was clean in this game, I still question myself as a player sometimes for trying to beat a game with an absurdly high takeout.
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:17 PM
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You bet hard earned money (It isnt easy standing in that unemployement line) on drugged up horses trained by dishonest trainers and ridden by no brain jockeys and we are the stupid ones?
LOL.

Chuck, seriously, I think your comments are coming from a completely different place and mindset; thus, you'll be speaking different languages from the get go straight through.

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Old 07-30-2008, 12:53 PM
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You bet hard earned money (It isnt easy standing in that unemployement line) on drugged up horses trained by dishonest trainers and ridden by no brain jockeys and we are the stupid ones?
Give it up dude. I haven't made a bet since the 2006 Breeders Cup and before that it was the previous Breeders Cup.

So, in answer to your question, that's a most emphatic yes. Especially in your case.

Seriously though, there are plenty of trainers that are not stupid. Clearly listening to a TP, RF or SA speaking into a microphone one can tell that they are bright and articulate. It's their dishonesty that bothers me.

Of course, there are also plenty of trainers that are both dishonest and stupid! Mullins for instance. Or possibly Byrne (based on that infamous Keeneland meet he had).
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:57 PM
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By the way Chucky, for the record, I don't think you are stupid.

I think you are full of yourself and overvalue your own opinion.

The attitude that people who work in the industry have a better and smarter opinion than those that don't is old and tiring.


Oh yeah, and nice hat!!!
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Old 07-30-2008, 01:07 PM
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Give it up dude. I haven't made a bet since the 2006 Breeders Cup and before that it was the previous Breeders Cup.

So, in answer to your question, that's a most emphatic yes. Especially in your case.

Seriously though, there are plenty of trainers that are not stupid. Clearly listening to a TP, RF or SA speaking into a microphone one can tell that they are bright and articulate. It's their dishonesty that bothers me.

Of course, there are also plenty of trainers that are both dishonest and stupid! Mullins for instance. Or possibly Byrne (based on that infamous Keeneland meet he had).
Keep in mind you're talking to someone who (a) is extremely bright and articulate, and (b) competes directly with said individuals who cheat and/or are dishonest (and I don't think I'm being naive in saying Chuck does NOT cheat, given the amount of time I've spent at the barn. ) It's in his best business interest to have those guys cleaned up and out.
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By the way Chucky, for the record, I don't think you are stupid.

I think you are full of yourself and overvalue your own opinion.

The attitude that people who work in the industry have a better and smarter opinion than those that don't is old and tiring.


Oh yeah, and nice hat!!!
Amen. Not speaking of Chuck here but overall, I think this is totally true. This is not to say that the majority of the time, the people who work in the industry don't actually have more insight. It would be silly to suggest that they don't. But their positions don't make it as automatic that they are smarter or more knowledgeable about every situation than us everyday people.
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Lets face it...


there isn't a person on this site that would be a strong candidate for president of NAMBLA.

Edit: I mean MENSA. I'm sure there are a few people with under 100 posts that could put on a strong campaign for the NAMBLA nomination.
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Old 07-30-2008, 02:05 PM
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Lets face it...


there isn't a person on this site that would be a strong candidate for president of NAMBLA.

Edit: I mean MENSA. I'm sure there are a few people with under 100 posts that could put on a strong campaign for the NAMBLA nomination.
I think you'd be surprised... (about the MENSA part of course, I don't want to think about the NABLA freudian slip on your part)
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LOL Joey would qualify for MENSA.

In all seriousness, he would! Man's got an IQ off the charts!
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Old 07-30-2008, 02:41 PM
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The attitude that people who work in the industry have a better and smarter opinion than those that don't is old and tiring.
it may be old and tiring, but in general its true. take any occupation, on average people working in the industry with first hand experience will tend to be better informed and more able to make a reasonable judgement. its clearly the case in this example.
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Old 07-30-2008, 02:59 PM
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it may be old and tiring, but in general its true. take any occupation, on average people working in the industry with first hand experience will tend to be better informed and more able to make a reasonable judgement. its clearly the case in this example.
That reminds me of one of my favorite lines from a great TV show called Firefly.

As the protagonist of the series is about to square off in a fight against some punk in a bar who is blathering on about the moral superiority and righteousness of their government, he blurts out the memorable line:

"And you sound like you are suffering from an overabundance of education".

That's pretty much how I feel about so-called professionals who think they know best.
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:00 PM
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By the way, why would anyone even want to join a group like MENSA?

That's nothing more than mental masturbation.
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it may be old and tiring, but in general its true. take any occupation, on average people working in the industry with first hand experience will tend to be better informed and more able to make a reasonable judgement. its clearly the case in this example.
The only thing I want to see from an insider is a winner, something I have never seen on this site. Not even an attempt to give out a winner.
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:29 PM
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Why does anyone owe you a winner? That's some sense of entitlement you have.
Nobody owes me anything, but there are so many know it alls on here its sickning. They know everything about horse racing exept how to pick a winner. I think it would give them some credibility if they gave out a horse once and a while.
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The only thing I want to see from an insider is a winner, something I have never seen on this site. Not even an attempt to give out a winner.



So you deserve to be given winners by the "insiders" who work their butt off trying to find winners??


To quote Morty, "GIMME A BREAK"
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:30 PM
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Nobody owes me anything, but there are so many know it alls on here its sickning. They know everything about horse racing exept how to pick a winner. I think it would give them some credibility if they gave out a horse once and a while.
Speaking of such, where the hell is pg1985!!
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:34 PM
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So you deserve to be given winners by the "insiders" who work their butt off trying to find winners??


To quote Morty, "GIMME A BREAK"
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha work their butt off. Im sure you mean that literally. Im sure their knee pads are getting a little worn out too!
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:35 PM
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So you deserve to be given winners by the "insiders" who work their butt off trying to find winners??


To quote Morty, "GIMME A BREAK"
HAHAHAHAAHAHHAAH They dont give winners, they're clueless. I dont need anybody to give me winners, ill pick my own thank you.
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:42 PM
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Afternoon nip?
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I don't get it.
Just because someone on here gives a horse out doesnt mean id bet it. I just want to see someone give out a winner.
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