7/26-27 (DMR): Clemente (Gr. II)/Crosby (Gr. I)

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by kgar311

I believe all California races should have to earn their grades again, they make any allowance horse over there a grade 1 winner. Its a joke.

Did you watch the Suburban?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Did you watch the Suburban?

Thats once in the blue moon, this happens in Cali on a regular basis.

[Gander]

Once in a blue moon? Grade 1's everywhere have gone down in quality. Its not just California. Aside from Saratoga and Belmont fall's meet, you are really hard pressed to find Grade 1's as good as they were in past decades. The Triple Crown this year was hopeless. Pimlico Special. Wood memorial. Jokes. Granted, the polytrack has pretty much ruined California racing, the quality of top level races is down everywhere. Lets be real.

This Bing Crosby looks as good as any of the races at Saratoga on Saturday with the exception of the Diana. The Go for Wand is a walkover with Ginger Punch. The Whitney is the same old cast of characters we saw in the Suburban with the exception of Commentator who crushes bad fields and looks like a completely different animal against good horses. The Vanderbilt will be a good betting race but as far as star quality, is there really any?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by Gander

Once in a blue moon? Grade 1's everywhere have gone down in quality. Its not just California. Aside from Saratoga and Belmont fall's meet, you are really hard pressed to find Grade 1's as good as they were in past decades. The Triple Crown this year was hopeless. Pimlico Special. Wood memorial. Jokes. Granted, the polytrack has pretty much ruined California racing, the quality of top level races is down everywhere. Lets be real.

This Bing Crosby looks as good as any of the races at Saratoga on Saturday with the exception of the Diana. The Go for Wand is a walkover with Ginger Punch. The Whitney is the same old cast of characters we saw in the Suburban with the exception of Commentator who crushes bad fields and looks like a completely different animal against good horses. The Vanderbilt will be a good betting race but as far as star quality, is there really any?

At least we can recongize more than one horse in each race. The horses in cali are unheard of

[Gander]

True Dat. I cant even watch Cali racing anymore. They ruined a great thing.
I'll enjoy the Whitney even though there are no stars. It will be a great betting race if you dont like Commentator.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by kgar311

At least we can recongize more than one horse in each race. The horses in cali are unheard of

So you say. Then again, some of us may know as much about Maiden turf runners at Golden Gate as others know about Grade 1 NY runners.

A.P. Arrow at 3-1 in the Whitney..... that's quality.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

So you say. Then again, some of us may know as much about Maiden turf runners at Golden Gate as others know about Grade 1 NY runners.

A.P. Arrow at 3-1 in the Whitney..... that's quality.

The sad thing is AP Arrow will be more like 8/5. If hes 3/1 hes getting my money.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Gander

The sad thing is AP Arrow will be more like 8/5. If hes 3/1 hes getting my money.

He'll be at least 3-1 if Zito's horse runs. And he's a rat. I know he hopped at Belmont but he's just not very good. He got a great trip in Miami and scratched out the Preakness week race when the weather was off.

He's also going to get a lousy trip most likely.

Good luck, though.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by kgar311

At least we can recongize more than one horse in each race. The horses in cali are unheard of

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