P Val in Trouble Again

[Danzig]

interesting isn't it, the voracious appetite the CHRB has for pvals drug screens, and yet.....not so much for the horses. and the horses are the ones who are really the ones to watch, aren't they? it's not like the jocks are pumping themselves with steroids so they can carry the horses more quickly.

my, my....just think what things could be accomplished if the CHRB was as serious about testing horses for banned substances as they are about a jock who isn't even riding.

of course, either way, whether pval is back to his old tricks, or the trainer is caught cheating, they don't do a *#@!%$*& thing anyway, so why bother?!

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

interesting isn't it, the voracious appetite the CHRB has for pvals drug screens, and yet.....not so much for the horses. and the horses are the ones who are really the ones to watch, aren't they? it's not like the jocks are pumping themselves with steroids so they can carry the horses more quickly.

my, my....just think what things could be accomplished if the CHRB was as serious about testing horses for banned substances as they are about a jock who isn't even riding.

of course, either way, whether pval is back to his old tricks, or the trainer is caught cheating, they don't do a *#@!%$*& thing anyway, so why bother?!

good point... I am in agreement. Horses, trainers, and owners get a slap on the wrist and a wink when they are caught obviously cheating.

But the poor jocks can't have 2 drinks on the plane before riding at Indiana Downs.

If I had to fly in to ride at Indiana Downs, I would want to drink a lot more than that.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

interesting isn't it, the voracious appetite the CHRB has for pvals drug screens, and yet.....not so much for the horses. and the horses are the ones who are really the ones to watch, aren't they? it's not like the jocks are pumping themselves with steroids so they can carry the horses more quickly.

my, my....just think what things could be accomplished if the CHRB was as serious about testing horses for banned substances as they are about a jock who isn't even riding.

of course, either way, whether pval is back to his old tricks, or the trainer is caught cheating, they don't do a *#@!%$*& thing anyway, so why bother?!

Actually the current CHRB is doing much more than any of the previous boards. They are going after trainers much more aggresively than past administrations.

going after them at all would show more aggression than in years past! and the endless, never resolved appeals...it's ridiculous. look at that one jock currently in trouble for a whip violation, handed days several times now--but this is the first he's served.

I find the whole thing with PVal to be a direct violation of his constitutional rights. I know of no company or job where they come in to your home and test you whenever they feel like it. As far as him being in a mental health and rehab center, he obviously relapsed and put HIMSELF in the center knowing it would KO him probably for good. It was his choice, it wasn't forced. Means he knows hes sick and wanted to get better.
YOU can bet your ass if one of the guys or gals on that board did the same thing that it would be a "personal matter", as it should be between Dr. and patient. Robin WIlliams just checked into an alcohol and rehab center and I doubt that any studios will be not using him in movies when he gets out. Brett Favre was once addicted to painkillers and got help.
The added pressure of being under a microscope like that has definitely affected Pval. Like I said, show me a profession where they can come into your house and test you whenever they like. Its my feeling that what people do on their own time is their own business. If they show up for work sober and do their job, let the law enforcement officials handle any criminal acts or investigations.
The guy obviously needs help and ought to be commended for checking himself in to a clinic even though he knew it would knock him out for life. Know what could happen? I will tell you what could happen, he could get a gig with Coolmore or the Sheikh to ride in Europe or Dubai. They can't enforce US rulings there if they choose not to. I don't think anyone here has never screwed up and I bet we all are glad that noone comes to our houses to check out how we are living. This isn't the old communist Soviet Union here, this is the USA. Dr's and lawyers aren't even subjected to this type of scrutiny, but jockeys are? Does this not seem a little screwed up to anyone besides me? I don't know a single owner or trainer who knows this guy(I have never even met him) who has said a bad word about him. He apparently is enthusiastic with the owners and tries his ass off on every mount whether it be a claimer or a stakes horse. Its also always neat to watch him turn around his mount down the backside after a win, he pets the horse and slaps them on the neck all the way back to winners circle saying good job. I've never seen a single jockey do that other than Pval, not one. The guy obviously loves the animals he rides.
Its real sad, and the guy is the most tragic case of wasted talent I have ever seen. But hes got an addiction that I bet he wishes every morning that he didn't have. Hes never been accused of chicanery, and hes never hurt anyone but himself. Getting down on a guy whose just lost what he loves the most and his living is not for me. Wishing a guy like that ill will when hes already suffering is not what most people are all about, especially when the guy has never hurt anyone.

[Gander]

I agree. No need to kick a man when hes already down, and it sounds like Pat is really down. For those of you who have never been addicted to something and suffered as a result of it, thank your lucky stars and smile. But dont wish for further bad things to happen. Its not like he was taking performance enhancing drugs, he never had to. This guy has more talent than anyone out there riding, hes proved it on so many occasions. Reminds me so much of Chris Antley and I truly hope this has a happier ending.

[irishtrekker]

Totally agree with you. The guy is seeking his own help, which is a step above most.

The bottomline is that there should e NO tolerence for drugs in our sport, especially for the riders.....just my opinion.....he dug his own hole and now must live with the pressure for the rest of his riding career.....plus, it is not like he was a one-time, minor offender....he has a long ad harsh history with narcotics and we don't need that in our game...

I mean the guy just decided to do something that he knew was gonna cost him his livliehood and his passion. Hes already been publicly humiliated so many times and I can't even imagine how he must feel right now. Then hes gotta have his dr./patient privacy violated? This is wrong, plain and simple wrong. Hes not on probation or parole, hes a US citizen. Since when does that board have the right to violate his rights? If hes in a center the whole thing should have been confidential than dealt with at a later date. This smells of vindictiveness and its a travesty. Announcing this serves no purpose and helps noone and does noone any good. I do not see the purpose of violating the guys privacy. Is it really as important as people trying to blow up planes?

[Slewbopper]

[quote=oracle80]Then hes gotta have his dr./patient privacy violated? This is wrong, plain and simple wrong. QUOTE]

Pat V knows what is expected of him because of past transgressions. Dr/patient is merely an excuse to hide that he is not living up to his agreed upon terms with the CHRB.

[SentToStud]

Well, he's in a tough spot. I suppose it's part of the licensing process that all jockeys agree to testing and it's probably a condition of his numerous reinstatements that allows for the kind of scrutiny he's now under.

Jockeys have stress like everyone. However, they do not have the opportunity to enjoy food and water as do most people. So, it's not surprising many riders develop substance abuse problems.

I sure hope he licks his problems, whatever they are.

Personally, I think the CHRB has better things to be concerned about than PV, namely figuring how to fill a simple 2-turn N1X dirt race and the implementation and potential effect of running on artificial dirt.

How the hell they handle $15 mil on a Saturday out there with what they're running is a mystery to me.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I find the whole thing with PVal to be a direct violation of his constitutional rights. I know of no company or job where they come in to your home and test you whenever they feel like it. As far as him being in a mental health and rehab center, he obviously relapsed and put HIMSELF in the center knowing it would KO him probably for good. It was his choice, it wasn't forced. Means he knows hes sick and wanted to get better.
YOU can bet your ass if one of the guys or gals on that board did the same thing that it would be a "personal matter", as it should be between Dr. and patient. Robin WIlliams just checked into an alcohol and rehab center and I doubt that any studios will be not using him in movies when he gets out. Brett Favre was once addicted to painkillers and got help.
The added pressure of being under a microscope like that has definitely affected Pval. Like I said, show me a profession where they can come into your house and test you whenever they like. Its my feeling that what people do on their own time is their own business. If they show up for work sober and do their job, let the law enforcement officials handle any criminal acts or investigations.
The guy obviously needs help and ought to be commended for checking himself in to a clinic even though he knew it would knock him out for life. Know what could happen? I will tell you what could happen, he could get a gig with Coolmore or the Sheikh to ride in Europe or Dubai. They can't enforce US rulings there if they choose not to. I don't think anyone here has never screwed up and I bet we all are glad that noone comes to our houses to check out how we are living. This isn't the old communist Soviet Union here, this is the USA. Dr's and lawyers aren't even subjected to this type of scrutiny, but jockeys are? Does this not seem a little screwed up to anyone besides me? I don't know a single owner or trainer who knows this guy(I have never even met him) who has said a bad word about him. He apparently is enthusiastic with the owners and tries his ass off on every mount whether it be a claimer or a stakes horse. Its also always neat to watch him turn around his mount down the backside after a win, he pets the horse and slaps them on the neck all the way back to winners circle saying good job. I've never seen a single jockey do that other than Pval, not one. The guy obviously loves the animals he rides.
Its real sad, and the guy is the most tragic case of wasted talent I have ever seen. But hes got an addiction that I bet he wishes every morning that he didn't have. Hes never been accused of chicanery, and hes never hurt anyone but himself. Getting down on a guy whose just lost what he loves the most and his living is not for me. Wishing a guy like that ill will when hes already suffering is not what most people are all about, especially when the guy has never hurt anyone.

Here's the thing, he agreed to be tested anywhere , anytime any place, so they are in no way violating his rights, he signed the agreement because he wanted to ride and make money . He knew what he signed up for , he also knows how to beat the system, and up until now Im sure he has been. I can almost promise you he drank bottles of urine cleaner daily, you drink it and in one hour you are clean for up to 4 hours. I would guess that he consulted his lawyer before he went into re-hab to find out what kind of rights the CHRB had to test him before he went in. He is no dummy, and if there is one loophole anywhere Pat is going to find it. I wish him luck in trying once again to get clean , but I wouldnt put any money on it.

[2MinsToPost]

One note about the "Urine Cleaners", most tests that are given pick up the chemicals that are in those. Only the cheapest tests don't pick those up, which is typically where you pee in a cup and it gives you the result immediately.

Originally Posted by Honu

Here's the thing, he agreed to be tested anywhere , anytime any place, so they are in no way violating his rights, he signed the agreement because he wanted to ride and make money . He knew what he signed up for , he also knows how to beat the system, and up until now Im sure he has been. I can almost promise you he drank bottles of urine cleaner daily, you drink it and in one hour you are clean for up to 4 hours. I would guess that he consulted his lawyer before he went into re-hab to find out what kind of rights the CHRB had to test him before he went in. He is no dummy, and if there is one loophole anywhere Pat is going to find it. I wish him luck in trying once again to get clean , but I wouldnt put any money on it.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

One note about the "Urine Cleaners", most tests that are given pick up the chemicals that are in those. Only the cheapest tests don't pick those up, which is typically where you pee in a cup and it gives you the result immediately.

You are wrong, go to this website Passyourtest.com. You will be amazed at the stuff they have even for hair samples.