7/13 (FE): Prince of Wales

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Agreed. Right now, at a one-turn mile, there aren't many three-year-olds I'd take over Harlem Rocker. At ten furlongs though, there are a handful.

A handful? Unless I've missed something, tell me which 3yo's have proven themselves better than Harlem Rocker at 10f? Which ones have proven themselves better than him at 9f? Speculation is one thing but I'm talking about that's actually proven more on the track?

Wood winner-Tale of Ekati
SA Derby winner-Colonel John
Arkansas Derby winner-Gayego
Blue Grass winner-Monba
Swaps winner-Tres Borrachos

Do any of those horses strike fear? Not to me they don't. I'm not saying that HR has proven that he's better than them either. But I definitely think he fits with them and wouldn't have to improve to be competitive with them. Again, I think most people have it in their minds what it NORMALLY takes to be a Travers type of horse and not looking at this year. If Harlem Rocker had to beat a Point Given, Birdstone, Flower Alley, Bernardini or Street Sense.....yeah, I'd agree that he's not a Travers horse. But outside of Big Brown, who may not even be in the race, for the life of me, I can't see any 3yo that I would take over him with any confidence at 10f.

[hockey2315]

I finally actually watched this race and thought HR's performance was more impressive than the 90 fig would indicate. He made a sweeping but much too early move on the turn, looked beaten, and then re-broke in the lane.

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I finally actually watched this race and thought HR's performance was more impressive than the 90 fig would indicate. He made a sweeping but much too early move on the turn, looked beaten, and then re-broke in the lane.

I agree in principle, the card at Fort Erie was filled with low level claimers and 5 furlong turf sprint races, so it was hard to have a good gauge just how fast Harlem Rocker ran, given the fact that most of his competition ran primarily on poly so basically the vast majority of the horses were running in uncharted waters when it came to dirt races. There was really no one to compare him with.

On a side note Not Bourbon flipped his palate during the race.

[hockey2315]

No argument here. . . the verdict's still out until he runs back at the Spa.

[King Glorious]

The distance or the polytrack debate lives on.

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

The distance or the polytrack debate lives on.

He's probably a 1 turn miler in all honesty. Just how good is anyone's guess.