You have to be kidding me

[PPerfectfan]

I have always wanted to do that!!!!! Man, I wish I lived closer, I would so be there,,,and Scav, you would go down!!!

[eajinabi]

i would rather race TB

[westcoastinvader]

Art Bier -- LOL, there's a blast from the past. Eventually made his way to the Meadowlands. His children are in the game now.


My brother was in a golf tournament with Art Bier once, and he said Art was a pretty nice guy in person that day.

But honest to goodness, being at Northfield for years completely cured any betting desire I might have to bet any driver in a sulky.

[ALostTexan]

That does look really fun. I have always heard how cool it is to ride in the starter's car, but this would be a hell of alot cooler...

[TheSpyder]

Remember Ray Sugg...what was he 280 lbs. I felt sorry for any horse having to cart his ass around.

Spyder

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

Art Bier -- LOL, there's a blast from the past. Eventually made his way to the Meadowlands. His children are in the game now.


My brother was in a golf tournament with Art Bier once, and he said Art was a pretty nice guy in person that day.

But honest to goodness, being at Northfield for years completely cured any betting desire I might have to bet any driver in a sulky.

[herkhorse]

I've always wanted to ride in a sulky. If Vernon Downs had that, I'd be there in a heartbeat. I don't know if I could figure out how to drive a horse, but if I could, I know I would make better decisions than half of those idiots.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

Remember Ray Sugg...what was he 280 lbs. I felt sorry for any horse having to cart his ass around.

Spyder

If you are talking about the driver/trainer from OH, not sure if he had a brother or something, but you might be talking about Ivan Sugg. He had his kids in the business with him as well. It was very sad, but one of the sons died of cancer when he was young (late 20's, 30's maybe). ANd yes, Ivan was a bit of a big boy.

Eric

[oilertige]

Originally Posted by ELA

If you are talking about the driver/trainer from OH, not sure if he had a brother or something, but you might be talking about Ivan Sugg. He had his kids in the business with him as well. It was very sad, but one of the died of cancer when he was young (late 20's, 30's maybe). ANd yes, Ivan was a bit of a big boy.

Eric

Eric, right on with the Sugg family info; they are out of tiny Deshler, OH my hometown! Father Ivan, a very successful trainer (won the 2003 Pacing Triple Crown with No Pan Intended) and his sons, Kurt and Duke who are currently drivers and as mentioned, his oldest son Steve, who was a very good driver until cancer claimed his life way too young. Just a terrific harness racing family!

[ELA]

Originally Posted by oilertige

Eric, right on with the Sugg family info; they are out of tiny Deshler, OH my hometown! Father Ivan, a very successful trainer (won the 2003 Pacing Triple Crown with No Pan Intended) and his sons, Kurt and Duke who are currently drivers and as mentioned, his oldest son Steve, who was a very good driver until cancer claimed his life way too young. Just a terrific harness racing family!

Yep, that's it -- Deshler, OH. I met Ivan, his wife and all three sons one year at The Red Mile. This was probably early 90's. Steve, as you said, the oldest, was a very nice young man. Very polite, humble, and just seemed like he had character. He was getting married around that time. It wasn't until Steve had left the barn area that Ivan told me that Steve had cancer and was going to be starting treatment very soon.

We talked a bit about horses and Ivan seemed like one of those ol' fashioned, ol' time, horsemen. It was a pleasure meeting the family.

Eric

[ELA]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

Art Bier -- LOL, there's a blast from the past. Eventually made his way to the Meadowlands. His children are in the game now.


My brother was in a golf tournament with Art Bier once, and he said Art was a pretty nice guy in person that day.

But honest to goodness, being at Northfield for years completely cured any betting desire I might have to bet any driver in a sulky.

As a person to hang out with, Art was a pretty nice guy. Great sense of humor, great stories from back in the day. According to the stories, he was just -- well, he was what he was. LOL. I think by the time he got to the Meadowlands, he had a small stable, with a few owners and was just looking to make a living. His one son became a driver and moved around a bit (Poconos, Pompano). The other son trained with Art and I don't know where he ended up. The youngest son you just knew was going to become a driver. He had the bug for it and more so the hands for it since he was a little kid. He started driving as soon as he could. I don't know where he is today.

Eric

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by ELA

As a person to hang out with, Art was a pretty nice guy. Great sense of humor, great stories from back in the day. According the the stories, he was just -- well, he was what he was. LOL. I think by the time he got to the Meadowlands, he had a small stable, with a few owners and was just looking to make a living. His one son became a driver and moved around a bit (Poconos, Pompano). The other son trained with Art and I don't know where he ended up. The youngest son you just knew was going to become a driver. He had the bug for it and more so the hands for it since he was a little kid. He started driving as soon as he could. I don't know where he is today.

Eric

I didn't know Art Bier had a son driving.

A google search leads me to believe it must be Sean. From a cursory google view, looks like Sean has driven in New Hampshire and Delaware of late.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

I didn't know Art Bier had a son driving.

A google search leads me to believe it must be Sean. From a cursory google view, looks like Sean has driven in New Hampshire and Delaware of late.

The first son to drive was Daryl. I don't remember if he was the oldest or not. The next son never drove. He went to college and went to work with Art, kind of like a second/assistant trainer. I just don't remember his name. The youngest son was Sean.

Eric

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by ELA

The first son to drive was Daryl. I don't remember if he was the oldest or not. The next son never drove. He went to college and went to work with Art, kind of like a second/assistant trainer. I just don't remember his name. The youngest son was Sean.

Eric

I watched Art Bier drive back in my college days. We used to joke that he should have a wife or daughter named "Anita."

(Anita Bier......)