So just WHO targets and kills civilians??

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

If you've read Seymore Hirsh's article in the New Yorker, you might get an insight as to what is really happening.
Bush gave Condi the instructions to stall...so Israel could go ahead and "defeat the terrorists".
Guess what?
They didn't.
Hezbollah is now claiming "victory" that they held off a surperior military force (third largest in the world).
Are the terrorists gaining confidence?
Unfortunately, this mess is just a pretext to divert attention from the US failure in Iraq prior to the November elections, where the Republicans will loose their majority in the House of Representatives.
The "War on Terror" has been the "play card". Feed the fear.
Reality is that the British were pushed to make arrests for the 9-11 type terror attacks, and people have lined up to take off their shoes, discard their toothpaste and lipstick...all to make the world more "secure". HMMM.
Reminds me of an "orange alert" two summers ago when the tunnels going into NYC were under threat, and I sat for hours in the heat on the NJ Turnpike.
Does this little boy "cry wolf" enough?
Seems that lots play along with the nonsense...even vote for it.

Now, the REAL future...
The US (Bush and neo cons) will use any and all pretexts for dropping 500K bombs (bunker busters) on already targeted Iranian sites....YES! IRAN!
Unfortunately, this action will not be won either. The US military does not have sufficient man power to put "boots on the ground". Already many troops are doing second and third tours in Iraq...trying to deny the reality of the "civil war" that was created by Bush's and his "policy advisors'" actions.

Two things to consider...
1) Disapproval of current policies by this administration, especially regarding Iraq are at an all time low...28% in favor.
2) Israeli actions against Lebanon, though unsupported by the vast majority of the world's nations, are only a pretext to future actions that will generate even more animosity in the Arab world. Seems that Hitler taught the Jewish people a great deal. Instead of learning from that lesson, the apply those lessons to others... and it will indeed cost us all, just like the misguded policies of the Bush administration.

That is simply a bunch of crap, the most outlandish stuff I've read thus far...comparing Israel to Nazi Germany...man, the true colors are starting to show now! A nation defends itself against terrorist attack and the "Hate America" crowd turns the entire thing into a Jew-Bush conspiracy! This post doesn't deserve a response except for the fact that some crackpots will actually buy it (obviously, it's posted here). What about the concerns of a prominent historian who states that August 22nd is a special day for the radical Islamics, the day a great Islamic warrior defeated his foes and stood victorious on the banks of Palestine and something else I didn't get about Mohammad...according to this guy, the crackpots in Iran have orchestrated this mess to draw world attention away from their nuke program and their fearless leader, you know..the guy who wants Israel destroyed and says the Holocaust never happened, is planning on answering the world regarding the nuke program on...August 22nd! His answer...nuking Israel and if possible us!
That theory is as credible as this crap!!!!!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

That is simply a bunch of crap, the most outlandish stuff I've read thus far...comparing Israel to Nazi Germany...man, the true colors are starting to show now! A nation defends itself against terrorist attack and the "Hate America" crowd turns the entire thing into a Jew-Bush conspiracy! This post doesn't deserve a response except for the fact that some crackpots will actually buy it (obviously, it's posted here). What about the concerns of a prominent historian who states that August 22nd is a special day for the radical Islamics, the day a great Islamic warrior defeated his foes and stood victorious on the banks of Palestine and something else I didn't get about Mohammad...according to this guy, the crackpots in Iran have orchestrated this mess to draw world attention away from their nuke program and their fearless leader, you know..the guy who wants Israel destroyed and says the Holocaust never happened, is planning on answering the world regarding the nuke program on...August 22nd! His answer...nuking Israel and if possible us!
That theory is as credible as this crap!!!!!

Somerfrost,
Please take the time to read Seymore Hersh's article.
Pay careful attention to his last sentence.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/conten.../060821fa_fact

[Danzig]

like that last sentence is so profound. you can find it on posters in many breakrooms of companies, HR people seem to like it.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

like that last sentence is so profound. you can find it on posters in many breakrooms of companies, HR people seem to like it.

HR people ????????
Do you mean "human resources"?
Explain, as you seem either to be writing in code or are lazy with your typing.

[Danzig]

yeah, human resources.

but i have to say dts, i can't believe you're comparing israels actions to hitler and germany, when they killed millions in death camps. that disturbs me.

and yeah, i'm feeling lazy tonite, another 12 hour day with me getting up before 3 am. but i get to sleep in tomorrow, til 4. yay

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

yeah, human resources.

but i have to say dts, i can't believe you're comparing israels actions to hitler and germany, when they killed millions in death camps. that disturbs me.

and yeah, i'm feeling lazy tonite, another 12 hour day with me getting up before 3 am. but i get to sleep in tomorrow, til 4. yay

The Jewish people indeed went through horror...so many gone for an insane man's dream.
If my words disturb you, I apologize.
I was raised to "turn the other cheek", "give my cloak also".
Passing on injustices only perpetuates hatred.

Matt: 23: 28-29...
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like white washed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones, and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness."

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

The Jewish people indeed went through horror...so many gone for an insane man's dream.
If my words disturb you, I apologize.
I was raised to "turn the other cheek", "give my cloak also".
Passing on injustices only perpetuates hatred.

Matt: 23: 28-29...
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like white washed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones, and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness."

Interesting quote for someone claiming not to be anti-Jew! While I understand the context within the scriptures, when used in this thread as a stand-alone quote...it smacks of anti-Semitism! Again, the Israelis have a right to defend themselves, just because they happen to be good at it is no reason to condemn them. As far as quoting the Christian Bible to justify a point of view...well, "Thou shalt not suffer a Witch to live!" Exodus 22:18....sorry, doesn't work for me!

[Downthestretch55]

Somerfrost,
I just reread what you judged me to be...a part of the "hate America crowd".
Shame! Shame! Shame on you!
Do you really believe that?

If you do...there is no hope for your judgement of me.
I HAVE NOT judged you or the opinions you voice.

So, to clarify, for the hundredth time...
I LOVE America!
If I didn't, I wouldn't express my opposition to the insane policies that are bringing ruin to it.
To simplify...one can love America without supporting those that currently lead it down a road to disaster. I can love the USA without loving the current administration. There's a very big difference.
Your arguement and judgement reminds me quite a bit of Spiro Agnew, when he expressed disdain for those that spoke the truth regarding Viet Nam.
We both should remember how that turned out...and how Spiro did also.

I love America!


DTS