Cody Autrey Suspension

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Eric

Do you think a guy should be serving a suspension a year after the infraction? Why dont these guys get served immediately? Why wait around for split samples and all the ridiculous things we do when guys cheat? Listen, when they cheat they are essentially changing the outcome of races WE bet on. They should be dealt with swiftly, and seriously in all cases, regardless of what class drug they've been caught with. The fact that hes continued to get snatched up for things since the CA suspension shows his disregard for the regulation in this industry. Serious changes need to be made

We live in America and as such have rights. If you commit a crime do you go to prison right away? Of course not. There is this thing called bail...and then a trial...and possibly an appeal...
You have to get a grip about this and understand that there are laws that commissions need to adhere to and that will be the case if there is a federal commission as well. Just as everything else in society, if you hire a lawyer and fight it, it will take some time.

Personally I think that his CA suspension was a joke. It was a class 2 drug and was something that I think it is very hard to prove that there is an approved therapuetic value to it. Guanabenz have been around for years and they have had a test for years. This sentence was very light but they arent saying why.

But trainers have the same rights as every other American, including the criminals. That is not going to change. Though I think that foreign born trainers who are suspended should be deported or executed (whatever costs the taxpayers less)

[The Bid]

I understand rights, I just dont agree with them.

I dont agree with child molestors going to trail and getting probation, and I dont agree with Cody Autrey getting suspended a year after the fact he had 2 serious positives. Why should horseracing adhere to any normal law, it doesnt adhere to any other normal life situation. The entire industry is a joke, its boarderline pathetic

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I understand rights, I just dont agree with them.

I dont agree with child molestors going to trail and getting probation, and I dont agree with Cody Autrey getting suspended a year after the fact he had 2 serious positives. Why should horseracing adhere to any normal law, it doesnt adhere to any other normal life situation. The entire industry is a joke, its boarderline pathetic

It is not that different than a lot of things...

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We live in America and as such have rights. If you commit a crime do you go to prison right away? Of course not. There is this thing called bail...and then a trial...and possibly an appeal...
You have to get a grip about this and understand that there are laws that commissions need to adhere to and that will be the case if there is a federal commission as well. Just as everything else in society, if you hire a lawyer and fight it, it will take some time.

Personally I think that his CA suspension was a joke. It was a class 2 drug and was something that I think it is very hard to prove that there is an approved therapuetic value to it. Guanabenz have been around for years and they have had a test for years. This sentence was very light but they arent saying why.

But trainers have the same rights as every other American, including the criminals. That is not going to change. Though I think that foreign born trainers who are suspended should be deported or executed (whatever costs the taxpayers less)

Yes, that's an excellent point. I wasn't 100% sure of that aspect to this, however, along those lines is why I am concerned about ancillary issues -- contamination, etc. Now in this case, based upon what you've said, that shouldn't come into play and be part of the equation.

While it might not be completely applicable, we really need all the facts if we are going to talk about 30 days vs. 1 year, or more for that matter. Regardless, we don't need facts to know that a rule has been broken and a penalty must be handed down.

Eric

[citycat]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We live in America and as such have rights. If you commit a crime do you go to prison right away? Of course not. There is this thing called bail...and then a trial...and possibly an appeal...
You have to get a grip about this and understand that there are laws that commissions need to adhere to and that will be the case if there is a federal commission as well. Just as everything else in society, if you hire a lawyer and fight it, it will take some time.

Personally I think that his CA suspension was a joke. It was a class 2 drug and was something that I think it is very hard to prove that there is an approved therapuetic value to it. Guanabenz have been around for years and they have had a test for years. This sentence was very light but they arent saying why.

But trainers have the same rights as every other American, including the criminals. That is not going to change. Though I think that foreign born trainers who are suspended should be deported or executed (whatever costs the taxpayers less)

The problem I have with calling the suspension a joke because it has not be justly proven to enhance horses performace is his intent. Guanabenz is not something that is just around the barn (like lidocaine which is used for many purposes). He intentionally obtained guanabenz to try to get a drug induced advantage. THIS is where I have a problem. I would like to see the horse suspended also then maybe some of the owners would wake up and take responsibility and send their horses to trainers who do not cheat.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by citycat

The problem I have with calling the suspension a joke because it has not be justly proven to enhance horses performace is his intent. Guanabenz is not something that is just around the barn (like lidocaine which is used for many purposes). He intentionally obtained guanabenz to try to get a drug induced advantage. THIS is where I have a problem. I would like to see the horse suspended also then maybe some of the owners would wake up and take responsibility and send their horses to trainers who do not cheat.

I have never heard of anyone using Guanabenz for any reason other than as a hop. I have never heard it prescribed as a medication for a problem in a horse. As a matter of fact I did not even know it was legal for use in this country. It has been around for a while and there was talk a few years ago that the rise of a certain trainer in NY was directly related to use of this. It seems like a strange penalty for a class 2 drug

[citycat]

I fully respect your responses on this issue "Cannon Shell" and I am not really asking you to "call out" one of your collegues. As a long time owner, the fact that guanabenz was being used seems to indicate to me that there was "intent" to gain a drug-induced advantage.

As you have said in many other posts we are all in this together. The owners need to take responsibility as well as trainers and vets. If this happened to one of my horses they would be gone from the trainer in a heartbeat.

I would hope that owners/trainers have some sort of dialogue about how a horse is trained and exactly what they use their vet for. When "selecting" a trainer we had long conversations about exactly what type of "vet" work I would accept.