Notional and OverExtended

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That is true that his win today was in a state bred race. But still, he had been running dead-last in nwx1 in California as of late. The state bred races are certainly much weaker, but you still wouldn't expect that a horse who was running dead-last in an open nwx1, would win a state-bred nwx1.

I wouldn't? I believe in the significance of class relief, so I thought he was a perfectly logical contender today, and considering he was the freaking FAVORITE IN THE RACE, I wasn't the only one.

Reddam sent two horses east that should've been out here a while ago and they both won. I don't see how that's some indisputable condemnation of O'Neill.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I wouldn't? I believe in the significance of class relief, so I thought he was a perfectly logical contender today, and considering he was the freaking FAVORITE IN THE RACE, I wasn't the only one.

Reddam sent two horses east that should've been out here a while ago. I don't see how that's some indisputable condemnation of O'Neill.

It's certainly not an indisputable condemnation of O'Neil. But it doesn't make him look very good.

Overextended was 6-1 on the morning-line. He certainly got bet way down going off at 5-2. But we don't know how much of that money was inside money.

I certainly think Overextended improved today. I don't think a repeat of his dead-last finish in his previous race in the open nwx1 would have been good enough to win the race today.

I do admit that Notional is a much better horse on conventional dirt, so that could have been a big reason for his improvement.

[10 pnt move up]

Didnt Overextended at 5/2 no less need a miracle fall apart to get up and win? He should be 30/1 in nw2x next time.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Didnt Overextended at 5/2 no less need a miracle fall apart to get up and win? He should be 30/1 in nw2x next time.

yeah, i think today's race will be hard to repeat on a fast track against better. I think the maiden first time starter ran faster in the previous race.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

It's certainly not an indisputable condemnation of O'Neil. But it doesn't make him look very good.

Overextended was 6-1 on the morning-line. He certainly got bet way down going off at 5-2. But we don't know how much of that money was inside money.

I certainly think Overextended improved today. I don't think a repeat of his dead-last finish in his previous race in the open nwx1 would have been good enough to win the race today.

I do admit that Notional is a much better horse on conventional dirt, so that could have been a big reason for his improvement.

I'm pretty sure if they had NY-bred allowance races in California, Overextended wouldn't have been finishing last in anything under O'Neill.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm pretty sure if they had NY-bred allowance races in California, Overextended wouldn't have been finishing last in anything under O'Neill.

I agree. The state-bred races are much weaker. When a horse goes from an open nwx1 to a state-bred nwx1, I would expect the horse to improve.