Notional and OverExtended

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah, who would've thought that Overextended would've been able to win a statebred N1X after running against open company, graded company and running out of condition?

stake company in california is highly overrated.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

stake company in california is highly overrated.

He hadn't run in a stakes race since December. As of late, he had been getting crushed in nwx1 races in California.

With regard to your comment about stakes company in California, over the last 15 years or so I think that California horses have fared much better when they have shipped to NY, than NY horses have done when they ship to California.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

He hadn't run in a stakes race since December. As of late, he had been getting crushed in nwx1 races in California.

With regard to your comment about stakes company in California, over the last 15 years or so I think that California horses have fared much better when they have shipped to NY, than NY horses have done when they ship to California.

good horses rarely ship from New York. There usually are some good horses, like a Zenyatta, but the races at the stake level have zero depth, and look NY has the advantage of shippers from all over the country.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

With regard to your comment about stakes company in California, over the last 15 years or so I think that California horses have fared much better when they have shipped to NY, than NY horses have done when they ship to California.

More like the last 50 years

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

More like the last 50 years

I was trying to be nice. LOL.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

More like the last 50 years

Dont you agree though that to be considered great Cali horses have to ship and win and not the other way around, so rarely the best east coast horses are sent west? Take Azeri, some people did not think she was all she could be until she won at Saratoga.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Dont you agree though that to be considered great Cali horses have to ship and win and not the other way around, so rarely the best east coast horses are sent west? Take Azeri, some people did not think she was all she could be until she won at Saratoga.

I think you are right. I think there is a big East coast bias. But that doesn't mean that it is justified.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Dont you agree though that to be considered great Cali horses have to ship and win and not the other way around, so rarely the best east coast horses are sent west? Take Azeri, some people did not think she was all she could be until she won at Saratoga.

In many cases yes but racing has changed alot in recent years. Really California racing is one circuit and "east coast" racing is many circuits. That is the major difference. Now you have the synthetic track factor to deal with. But it has always been harder for East coast horses to go West than vice versa for whatever reason and that has been the case seemingly forever.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

In many cases yes but racing has changed alot in recent years. Really California racing is one circuit and "east coast" racing is many circuits. That is the major difference. Now you have the synthetic track factor to deal with. But it has always been harder for East coast horses to go West than vice versa for whatever reason and that has been the case seemingly forever.

good points