Disgusted..

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There is absolutely no way they should have taken that horse down. He didn't herd the other horse and barely drifted.....plus he was a few paths clear of the second hanger when he started to drift.

That call was a complete no brainer.

your wrong, you are the man around here, for real no sarcasim and you know a lot more about the game then me , ALOT MORE, but your wrong on this one.

[Bobby Fischer]

is a lug out into the path of a contending horse is grounds for a takedown?

I don't think we should claim to know "who would have won anyway" in a race that close

my opinion is that Mclaughlin's filly would have won, especially under a hard drive through the finish line - rather than Garcia focusing on what was gaining on him.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

is a lug out into the path of a contending horse is grounds for a takedown?

I don't think we should claim to know "who would have won anyway" in a race that close

my opinion is that Mclaughlin's filly would have won, especially under a hard drive through the finish line - rather than Garcia focusing on what was gaining on him.

yes it is grounds and bafferts horse was a winner if not for the other filly

[parsixfarms]

After all the discussion, I made a point to watch the race on the NYRA replay show tonight, and IMO, they made the right call. Granted, I did not see a head-on, but from the pan shot, just before McLaughlin's filly came out, it appeared that Baffert's filly also came in a little bit (just as the rider switched from left to right-handed urging) and she shied from the other horse - pretty understandable from a first-time starting 2YO filly.

So maybe the Stewards, even thought they are
blind (I learned that here) have a difficult job sometimes.

They become especially bad if they make, or do not
make, a decision that costs one money.

Between battlin drugs, jockeys, stewards, and trainers
this game is difficult. Other than a few minor blips
its so peachy simple.

Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes,
well sometimes the bar eats you....
- forgot who said that.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by pgardn

So maybe the Stewards, even thought they are
blind (I learned that here) have a difficult job sometimes.

They become especially bad if they make, or do not
make, a decision that costs one money.

Between battlin drugs, jockeys, stewards, and trainers
this game is difficult. Other than a few minor blips
its so peachy simple.

Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes,
well sometimes the bar eats you....
- forgot who said that.

this was easy... nothing difficult about this one.

Originally Posted by jcs11204

this was easy... nothing difficult about this one.

Then I guess the Steward mystery is solved.
It is a tough job?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

this was easy... nothing difficult about this one.

Given the varying opinions on this board, I don't think there was anything "easy" about this one. And when that's the case, they should err on the side of leaving the horse up.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Given the varying opinions on this board, I don't think there was anything "easy" about this one. And when that's the case, they should err on the side of leaving the horse up.

nothing anyone can say will make me think this horse should have stayed up, i have watched the replay multiple times as well as the head on, bafferts horse was the best horse AND WAS BUMPED AND DRIFTED INTO.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

After all the discussion, I made a point to watch the race on the NYRA replay show tonight, and IMO, they made the right call. Granted, I did not see a head-on, but from the pan shot, just before McLaughlin's filly came out, it appeared that Baffert's filly also came in a little bit (just as the rider switched from left to right-handed urging) and she shied from the other horse - pretty understandable from a first-time starting 2YO filly.

This is the way I saw it. Then again, if i had some change on the race, i might feel differently. I posted the link to the chart for the race. I dont think that no call was too tough to make. These were maidens.

http://equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/BEL070308USA2.pdf

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

After all the discussion, I made a point to watch the race on the NYRA replay show tonight, and IMO, they made the right call. Granted, I did not see a head-on, but from the pan shot, just before McLaughlin's filly came out, it appeared that Baffert's filly also came in a little bit (just as the rider switched from left to right-handed urging) and she shied from the other horse - pretty understandable from a first-time starting 2YO filly.

That's fiction. You would know that if ya saw the head-on. I don't mean to be rude, but it's total bullshit. Look, the Baffert filly is running straight as can be, and Gomez has to make a quick right turn with her to avoid running into the winners back right end. It's not some act. If he doesn't move her then one or both of the horses are going down. See, I had no idea what the winner paid, or what the Baffert went off at. I just looked at the situation this guy brought up. No doubt, we are programed to try to beat chalk, and half of these guys are against taking her down due simply to that bias. As far as the other race goes(the one Andy said should of been a d.q.,) I didn't see any of these races live. If somebody had started a thread about that race, then maybe I would have looked at that race,too. I don't understand how some people are saying this Baffert filly did something wrong in the stretch. WTF are you talking about. She is running straight as a string when this horse forces her rider to have to pull her to her right. That change in direction (considering the late shrinking margin of loss) was enough to cost her the race. Hey,the winner is tired. If she is forced to stay straight, then she has to be corrected, and would have loss. It's a better gamble to let her lug out(and not lose momentum.) That's how she won. She wasn't forced to stay straight. She,therefore, forced someone else (who was running straight) to have to pay the price for her not being forced to run straight. Look, she is coming out, and someone is going to have to be corrected. Either he takes her up, and the Baffert horse gets up, or he allows her to come out, and the Baffert horse has to be the one to change direction. The latter took place. The former should have taken place. This is mainly a case of guys on here being biased against the chalk(I didn't even know who the chalk was.)