Who's more incompetent: NYRA Stewards or Gabe Saez?

Handicappy · #1 07-01-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Music Note very well could have won anyway - and I would have preferred her of the two at those prices.

But thats not the point - Saez put on an all-time masterpiece of stupid race riding - while Garcia rode Proud Spell for the first 8 furlongs - and after arguably fouling PS 3 different times at meaningful stages of the race - he somehow got put up for a late bump that had no impact at all on the finish.

The only thing I can think of is that NYRA Stewards wanted to punish Saez for what they viewed as mildly careless riding in the final 1/8th - even though it had no impact on the outcome and was VERY unfair to the betting public.

I think the NYRA Stewards were paying Mclaughlin back for missing a very nasty incident a couple of weeks ago when Cornelio was bumped and practically put a Mclaughlin/Garcia horse over the rail. Garcia claimed foul, they called the race official before he got off the horse. I know there was a hearing about it. Not that Saez didn't deserve something for that ride but I agree I don't think it was all that critical.

parsixfarms · #2 07-01-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Handicappy

I think the NYRA Stewards were paying Mclaughlin back for missing a very nasty incident a couple of weeks ago when Cornelio was bumped and practically put a Mclaughlin/Garcia horse over the rail. Garcia claimed foul, they called the race official before he got off the horse. I know there was a hearing about it. Not that Saez didn't deserve something for that ride but I agree I don't think it was all that critical.

You think they're going to move Never Retreat up in a Grade I race to compensate them for "missing" something that occurred in a maiden race to a first-time starter that McLaughlin saddled for a totally different owner??

Handicappy · #3 07-02-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

You think they're going to move Never Retreat up in a Grade I race to compensate them for "missing" something that occurred in a maiden race to a first-time starter that McLaughlin saddled for a totally different owner??

Yup. Obviously they included other factors but I am certain that figured into it.

blackthroatedwind · #4 07-02-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Handicappy

Yup. Obviously they included other factors but I am certain that figured into it.

That's quite an accusation.

I am certain it had absolutely nothing to do with it and the race from Belmont Day never entered their minds.

ArlJim78 · #5 07-02-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That's quite an accusation.

I am certain it had absolutely nothing to do with it and the race from Belmont Day never entered their minds.

what was in their minds then?

blackthroatedwind · #6 07-02-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

what was in their minds then?

That Saez fouled the third finisher. Sorry....he did. It is probably reasonable to assume that they believed he did it out of frustration for being race-ridden the entire contest by Garcia....as well as his frustration over his overall trip and subsequent defeat. But, the bottom line is that Saez fouled the other horse.

However, I am not saying I think it was a great decision, and I could easily argue the other side. But, I can offer a likely scenerio as to what they were thinking.

ArlJim78 · #7 07-02-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That Saez fouled the third finisher. Sorry....he did. It is probably reasonable to assume that they believed he did it out of frustration for being race-ridden the entire contest by Garcia....as well as his frustration over his overall trip and subsequent defeat. But, the bottom line is that Saez fouled the other horse.

However, I am not saying I think it was a great decision, and I could easily argue the other side. But, I can offer a likely scenerio as to what they were thinking.

that wasn't much of a foul if you ask me, and didn't cost the horse a chance at a better placing.

do you think the call was fair? i don't.

Handicappy · #8 07-02-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That's quite an accusation.

I am certain it had absolutely nothing to do with it and the race from Belmont Day never entered their minds.

I know, I know but it is just my opinion. I wasn't surprised with the take down. I could argue the other way as well. Just my opinion.