Bernardini ?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Well in between he did win the strub g2 and the malbu g1 while beating stake winner giant gentleman and multiple graded stake winner and eclipse winner orientate. But, lets forget about that.

I admit, his superiority to bernardini is dubious and is definitely according to my biased eye.

Giant Gentleman was the mediocre Pegasus horse I was talking about. And just to be clear, he beat Orientate in the 9f Strub, not the 7f Malibu--which would have actually meant something. But no need to make that distinction.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Giant Gentleman was the mediocre Pegasus horse I was talking about. And just to be clear, he beat Orientate in the 9f Strub, not the 7f Malibu--which would have actually meant something. But no need to make that distinction.

And also no need to make the distinction that Orientate was a multiple stake winner at two turns. Not the grade 1 sprint beast but still a more than capable stake horse.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

And also no need to make the distinction that Orientate was a multiple stake winner at two turns. Not the grade 1 sprint beast but still a more than capable stake horse.

Yes, the Indiana Derby at Hoosier at 8.5f and the listed Sir Beaufort at a flat mile on turf (being a son of Gone West, Orientate was more than adept on that surface).

Well played.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Yes, the Indiana Derby at Hoosier at 8.5f and the listed Sir Beaufort at a flat mile on turf (being a son of Gone West, Orientate was more than adept on that surface).

Orientate was by Mt. Livermore. He was a very solid sprinter (I specifically remember his Forego at Saratoga when he thrashed Aldebaran) during his 2002 championship season. I wouldn't say he was as adept on turf. He was off the board in the only two graded races (Aegon Turf Sprint and Shoemaker Mile) that he contested over turf.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Orientate was by Mt. Livermore. He was a very solid sprinter (I specifically remember his Forego at Saratoga when he thrashed Aldebaran) during his 2002 championship season. I wouldn't say he was as adept on turf. He was off the board in the only two graded races (Aegon Turf Sprint and Shoemaker Mile) that he contested over turf.

I agree. However, I think the body of work is incomplete. I think 6-7 furlongs on the turf would have been interesting to see. He was a hell of a sprinter.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Orientate was by Mt. Livermore. He was a very solid sprinter (I specifically remember his Forego at Saratoga when he thrashed Aldebaran) during his 2002 championship season. I wouldn't say he was as adept on turf. He was off the board in the only two graded races (Aegon Turf Sprint and Shoemaker Mile) that he contested over turf.

Mt. Livermore got his fair shair of turf runners, too, so the point was the same. But yes, I was dead wrong there.

I would take issue with Shoemaker Mile effort. He chased the ridiculous Special Ring (who freaked in several races out west during that time frame) and ran a better than it looked 4th, just missing a placing. He concentrated on sprinting thereafter.