Bernardini ?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i will agree with candy ride, but not the other 2 he named

Did you ever see Lamtarra? Have you ever even heard of Lamtarra?

If you agree with Candy Ride i dont know how you could doubt that one.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Did you ever see Lamtarra? Have you ever even heard of Lamtarra?

If you agree with Candy Ride i dont know how you could doubt that one.

PG,
Lammtarra was the Eurohorse of the year in 1995. 1995 happened to be one of the weakest european seasons on record. In fact saying that bernardini couldnt beat lammatarra is like saying the Boston Celtics couldnt beat the Dallas Cowboys.

PG, tell em that Bernardini will be a much better sire than Lammtarra...lets see them poke fun at you for that!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

PG,
Lammtarra was the Eurohorse of the year in 1995. 1995 happened to be one of the weakest european seasons on record. In fact saying that bernardini couldnt beat lammatarra is like saying the Boston Celtics couldnt beat the Dallas Cowboys.

PG, tell em that Bernardini will be a much better sire than Lammtarra...lets see them poke fun at you for that!

Yeah, that 1995 was really weak. Perhaps you arent remembering. Lamtarra beat Swain on top of freedom Cry and Pentire.

Your analogy is not much better than your memory. These are all racehorses right? Euros come over here and win races on dirt right?

Lamtarra, in four starts, won the epsom, king george and arc. Not too many that can say that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yeah, that 1995 was really weak. Perhaps you arent remembering. Lamtarra beat Swain on top of freedom Cry and Pentire.

Your analogy is not much better than your memory. These are all racehorses right? Euros come over here and win races on dirt right?

Lamtarra, in four starts, won the epsom, king george and arc. Not too many that can say that.

Mabe your memory is faulty since I dont remember any of those horses winning on the dirt. I do remember swain bearing out in the stretch in the Classic in 1998. He didnt do much until he was 5. Freedom Cry lost to the great Nothern Spur in the BC. Pentire was a pretty good horse, nothing more or less.

Lammtarra was a good horse that happen to show up in a weak year, not his fault, but he is far from an all time great. In fact the comparison to Bernardini is strange considering that one was a dirt horse and one was a turf horse. I am fairly certain that Bernardini would thrash Lammtarra on the dirt and I dont know how anyone would think otherwise.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Mabe your memory is faulty since I dont remember any of those horses winning on the dirt. I do remember swain bearing out in the stretch in the Classic in 1998. He didnt do much until he was 5. Freedom Cry lost to the great Nothern Spur in the BC. Pentire was a pretty good horse, nothing more or less.

Lammtarra was a good horse that happen to show up in a weak year, not his fault, but he is far from an all time great. In fact the comparison to Bernardini is strange considering that one was a dirt horse and one was a turf horse. I am fairly certain that Bernardini would thrash Lammtarra on the dirt and I dont know how anyone would think otherwise.

Why is the comparison strange? They were both racehorses at one time and we are discussing horse racing on a horse racing site. So they raced on different surfaces but does that make it a different breed or a different sport? Come on. And who insisted on the distinction between dirt and turf anyway?

Besides all of that how are you so sure that Bernardini would "thrash" lamtarra on dirt when Lamtarra never raced on it? How do you know Lamtarra wouldnt have loved it? He had plenty of dirt in that pedigree.

Regardless of how "weak" 1995 was (and that claim is quite dubious), he still set the record in the epsom derby. He still completed the triple of epsom, king george and Arc. Compare that to anything Bernardini accomplished.

In four races, he sets a record in the epsom (still stands today!)in his second start, wins the king george and the arc. But still not a great horse? LOL

Pentire was just a "pretty good horse"? LOL again. Multiple group 1 winner that won the irish champion stakes and the king george and beat singspiel twice. I guess that horse wasnt very good either?

Yeah Swain didnt do much until he was five. True, he did most of his damage when he was five but lest we forget he did win the coronation.

Which brings us to Freedom Cry. Yes, he lost to northern spur in the BC, three weeks after losing to Lamtarra in the arc. I dont know...I guess shipping across the world and running in a couple of weeks isnt a big deal. yes, the horse was a bum.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Pentire was just a "pretty good horse"? LOL again. Multiple group 1 winner that won the irish champion stakes and the king george and beat singspiel twice. I guess that horse wasnt very good either?

Pentire wasnt that great a horse, He won a very weak King George beating a 2miler, one of the worst derby winners in years and another 2 miler. Beat Freedom Cry in the Irish Champion, but wasnt a brilliant race. He also beat Singspiel when they were both 3. like Swain you cannot compare Singspiel at 3 and what he did in subsequent years.

Pentire Celebre on the other hand....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Why is the comparison strange? They were both racehorses at one time and we are discussing horse racing on a horse racing site. So they raced on different surfaces but does that make it a different breed or a different sport? Come on. And who insisted on the distinction between dirt and turf anyway?

Besides all of that how are you so sure that Bernardini would "thrash" lamtarra on dirt when Lamtarra never raced on it? How do you know Lamtarra wouldnt have loved it? He had plenty of dirt in that pedigree.

Regardless of how "weak" 1995 was (and that claim is quite dubious), he still set the record in the epsom derby. He still completed the triple of epsom, king george and Arc. Compare that to anything Bernardini accomplished.

In four races, he sets a record in the epsom (still stands today!)in his second start, wins the king george and the arc. But still not a great horse? LOL

Pentire was just a "pretty good horse"? LOL again. Multiple group 1 winner that won the irish champion stakes and the king george and beat singspiel twice. I guess that horse wasnt very good either?

Yeah Swain didnt do much until he was five. True, he did most of his damage when he was five but lest we forget he did win the coronation.

Which brings us to Freedom Cry. Yes, he lost to northern spur in the BC, three weeks after losing to Lamtarra in the arc. I dont know...I guess shipping across the world and running in a couple of weeks isnt a big deal. yes, the horse was a bum.

I am not sure why you dont think that your contention that a european turf horse "would beat" an American dirt horse isnt strange? It is an apples and oranges thing. If you cant see how it is impossible to compare these things I give up...

Track records are pretty worthless in America and completely useless in Europe.

Freedom Cry, Swain as a 3 year old and Pentire was not a great bunch regardless of how you spin it. I never said that they werent good horses but they were far from a great crop especially compared to other years.

Bernardini was far better three year olds than any of those three

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am not sure why you dont think that your contention that a european turf horse "would beat" an American dirt horse isnt strange? It is an apples and oranges thing. If you cant see how it is impossible to compare these things I give up...

Track records are pretty worthless in America and completely useless in Europe.

Freedom Cry, Swain as a 3 year old and Pentire was not a great bunch regardless of how you spin it. I never said that they werent good horses but they were far from a great crop especially compared to other years.

Bernardini was far better three year olds than any of those three

Plenty of European "turf horses" have come to America and beaten American "dirt horses". If not for Tiznow (who wasnt the favorite in either of his BC wins i might add) it would have happened two years in a row in 2000 and 2001. Those "turf horses" didnt look so bad on the dirt did they? I dont know if you are belmont on saturday but...

How do you know that Lamtarra wouldnt have taken to the dirt? To me, he was just a more talented horse. We are talking about horse racing right?

And who said it was a great crop Lamtarra faced? You said it was a terrible crop and i disagreed and now you are saying that they were good horses.

And what did Bernardini beat in his little run? A bunch of goats in "grade 1" races.