How about this suspension

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by ELA

This NJ case is interesting. One question I had was with regard to disclosure. New rule, new policy, etc. -- where does NJ disclose this to the owner? The trainer signs a stall application, but the owner only signs a license application. I should have read it last week when I was at Monmouth. The condition book also spells out a variety of rules as well.

If it's a new rule, then there would probably have to be some sort of public hearing/comment period. Isn't that why NJ's "steroid rules" were just put on hold, when the horsemen challenged the failure to abide by Open Meetings laws? If it's just a stronger penalty, then I would think the administrative agency probably has discretion to set any reasonable penalty (of course, that can be in the eye of the beholder).

[ELA]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

If it's a new rule, then there would probably have to be some sort of public hearing/comment period. Isn't that why NJ's "steroid rules" were just put on hold, when the horsemen challenged the failure to abide by Open Meetings laws? If it's just a stronger penalty, then I would think the administrative agency probably has discretion to set any reasonable penalty (of course, that can be in the eye of the beholder).

I am really not sure how it played out. There was a great deal of conflicting information. Yes, the horsemen challanged (the process and the unilateral implementation for the the most part, I think). OTOH, you have this standardbred case and out of competition testing long since enacted.

Personally, I was never worried anyway. I knew what they were going to be doing at Monmouth, but I just didn't know the penalties. What worries me is sabotage, contamination, mistakes, etc. That always concern me. They more concern the people who abide by the rules. I think there has to be much more in the way of clarification. If you are going to hold someone accountable -- let them know exactly what for and how high the price is.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/sp...lA&oref=slogin


The freakin EPO tests dont seem to work anyway

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/sp...lA&oref=slogin


The freakin EPO tests dont seem to work anyway

chuckles, have any of your horses ever failed a drug test ?

[ELA]

Testing will always be a problem. There's more money from the evil than there is from the good. I'd like to see real money thrown at this part of the problem, as well as the others. More modern labs, updated, modernization, etc. Until then, I'd like to see frozen samples for testing purposes, education, and future testing.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

chuckles, have any of your horses ever failed a drug test ?

More importantly, have you ever failed a drug test?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

More importantly, have you ever failed a drug test?

never,
was my question out of line ? i thought maybe this was not the right spot to ask, but i thought that after i asked,

[Scav]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

never,
was my question out of line ? i thought maybe this was not the right spot to ask, but i thought that after i asked,

Do you have a death wish?

You haven't have heard about the Simon Smasher....

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/sp...lA&oref=slogin


The freakin EPO tests dont seem to work anyway

Chuck -- back to the issue at hand. So, if a state or a racing commission makes changes or implements new rules, where do you find out about it? Stall application? New disclosure document? Condition book? Vets? I know it depends and it's case specific, but is there an example?

In your opinion, how should it be done for the owners?

Eric

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ELA

Chuck -- back to the issue at hand. So, if a state or a racing commission makes changes or implements new rules, where do you find out about it? Stall application? New disclosure document? Condition book? Vets? I know it depends and it's case specific, but is there an example?

In your opinion, how should it be done for the owners?
Eric

Just suspend us Eric..that's the answer

[ELA]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Just suspend us Eric..that's the answer

LOL. Seriously, unfortunately, I think this will be a very important question -- one day very soon.

Eric