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06-28-2008, 06:05 PM
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06-28-2008, 07:58 PM
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Well, I didn't think anything could be worse than the Suburban. I'm not sure after watching the Gold Cup.
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06-28-2008, 08:14 PM
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I'd never have believed it had anyone told me five years ago that the day would come where they would run 10f grade one's in NY and CA on the same day for older horses and I wouldn't have heard of either winner going into the race.
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06-28-2008, 09:01 PM
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06-29-2008, 12:01 PM
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No insult intended here, but you can't be paying any attention to NY/CA circuit news to not have 'heard' of Mast Track and Frost Giant going into this weekend. Sorry. Frost Giant, a multiple Group III winner trained by AO'B in Europe, was the subject of a lot of discussion since coming stateside. He was especially well-discussed here this week having been entered on the BEL carryover card the other day. And Mast Track, in addition to being Frankel owned/trained and having just tried the Shoemaker last, was the subject of Brad Free's HOL GC advance Wednesday.
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06-29-2008, 12:03 PM
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Further.. say what you will about Dutrow, but he kept trying with Frost Giant until he figured out what to do with him...
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...816#post392816 From Dave Grenig's BEL notes last week: "He's a hard horse to figure out; I still ain't got him figured out yet," Dutrow said. "He's going good now though. I don't have a problem trying what we're going to try." Dutrow said if Frost Giant runs big Wednesday, he'll leave him at Belmont with Bobby Frankel and walk him into the Suburban. "I'll put him on the lead in the Suburban," Dutrow said. "I'll put Rudy [Rodriguez] on him and let him ride him right out of there, that's what the horse wants. He doesn't want you to take a hold of him."
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06-29-2008, 07:12 PM
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That being said, I think the race was more a case of Solar Flare losing the race, as it looked like he had put Frost Giant away turning for home.
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06-29-2008, 12:13 PM
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06-29-2008, 12:18 PM
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06-29-2008, 10:59 PM
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I gotta tell you. Finding you on ATR and this board are probably two of the best things that have happened to me as it relates to horse racing in many years. I know you started with "no insult intended", and I'm sure none was, but Frost Giant? You talk about him like he was a contender in this race. He was 40-1, longest shot on the board and to top it off Rudy Rodriguez was aboard. I watch NY racing just about every day and I wouldn't know Frost Giant if he bit me in the ass. He ran 2nd in an allowance race at Monmouth for Christmas sake last out. 7 of the 8 horses in that race, I knew from heard of to seen them run multiple times. Frost Giant, come on. Now the Gold Cup horse, I won't pretend I know the first thing about Cali racing, especially since they went to the poly. But Frost Giant?
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06-29-2008, 11:21 PM
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dude your way off, he was a contender, like someone said earlier his numbers were not far off any of the top contenders... LOL AND LOOK AT THE TOP CONTENDERS, AP ARROW HES A PIG......as for him being 40-1, he was as low as 10-1 at one point, and he just kept drifting up... what are you gonna do ? someone liked him in the exacta and pick 3, 4 pools, because everything seemed to come back really light
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