Who would ever get into this game now?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

The sport of horse racing is worse now then I ever imagined.

I'm from Minnesota and grew up following Canterbury, which I still follow.

Justin Evans and Jamie Ness are winning races with anything. They could claim a pair of tube socks and find the winners circle next time out. Of particular interest is watching EVERY single Justin Evans runner. They all get quarterhorsed to the lead, regardless of the distance, and are asked the ENTIRE race and either kick on to win by double digits or hang in gamely after being passed.

What drugs are being used that allows a horse to be asked for everything for 7 furlongs without noticebly tiring?

Whatever they're not testing for at Canterbury - which is probably the same stuff they weren't testing for at Tampa.... or they are very good at what they do.

It's impossible to prove a negative, so logically you would have to assume the latter unless proven otherwise.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Whatever they're not testing for at Canterbury - which is probably the same stuff they weren't testing for at Tampa.... or they are very good at what they do.

It's impossible to prove a negative, so logically you would have to assume the latter unless proven otherwise.

Testing at the smaller tracks is woefully inadequate in comparison to the larger tracks which are just plain inadequate.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Testing at the smaller tracks is woefully inadequate in comparison to the larger tracks which are just plain inadequate.

It's infuriating, Chuck....On a related note, IEAH and Dutrow just won a G1 with an allowance horse

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

It's infuriating, Chuck....On a related note, IEAH and Dutrow just won a G1 with an allowance horse

....that was passed in the stretch and somehow came back in a 1 1/4 race....

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

....that was passed in the stretch and somehow came back in a 1 1/4 race....

Three Chiminey's is on speed dial I'm sure

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

....that was passed in the stretch and somehow came back in a 1 1/4 race....

You guys need to actually watch the races before just assuming that everything is drug related. Maybe if Saez isn't in such a hurray to make the lead, the race is won at the wire and not at the turn, after all, he saves some horse and wins the race, like he's supposed to, given his setup. He screws up and it's a drug thing. Go figure.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

....that was passed in the stretch and somehow came back in a 1 1/4 race....

it was the pedigree

[jcs11204]

along with the heart and class that every giants causeway has !!!!!!!!!!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

It's infuriating, Chuck....On a related note, IEAH and Dutrow just won a G1 with an allowance horse

basically the whole field was allowance level, save for AP Arrow who was highly suspect

[Split Rock]

The entire sport is fiction. It's impossible to believe even ONE feat of accomplishment due to the massive abuse.

Does anyone think this will change for the better? I certainly don't see an end in sight.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

The entire sport is fiction. It's impossible to believe even ONE feat of accomplishment due to the massive abuse.

Does anyone think this will change for the better? I certainly don't see an end in sight.

Your melodramatics are fun to read..Multiple choice question for you:

a) There are less cheaters now than 20 years ago
b) There are more cheaters now than 20 years ago
c) Answer A is right, but there are more systems in place to catch them

Obviously, I think "C" is correct..That doesn't make any of the positives or abuses going on now right, but don't think this sport's glory days were oats and hay.

[Split Rock]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Your melodramatics are fun to read..Multiple choice question for you:

a) There are less cheaters now than 20 years ago
b) There are more cheaters now than 20 years ago
c) Answer A is right, but there are more systems in place to catch them

Obviously, I think "C" is correct..That doesn't make any of the positives or abuses going on now right, but don't think this sport's glory days were oats and hay.

Can't refute either BUT, and it's a big BUT, the game seemed a little more fair 20 years ago. What is happening now is so obviously crooked that I cannot even begin to defend it. I personally know three players that bet enormous amounts daily that have quit the game outright. Two of them play poker and the other spends his gambling dollar on sports betting. All three quit because it was an impossible game to play.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

The entire sport is fiction. It's impossible to believe even ONE feat of accomplishment due to the massive abuse.

Does anyone think this will change for the better? I certainly don't see an end in sight.

I think things will change for the better at the bigger tracks. They seem to be cracking down on things a little bit more now. The big tracks have the money to put guys under surveillance and do barn raids and these types of things.

I don't really follow the smaller tracks much, but I wouldn't be overly optimistic about things improving there. They just don't have the money to do the things that it takes to catch the cheaters.

[Rupert Pupkin]

I strongly disagree that there were more cheaters 20 years ago. I think there are way more cheaters now. There are way more drugs being used today both legal and illegal. As Jack Van Berg said, there used to be 4 vets on the whole backside at Santa Anita 30 years ago. Now you have over 30 vets.

Vet work is such a huge part of the game today. How could anyone possibly say that things were just as bad 30 years ago. That is absurd.

Things are 100x worse today. Horseracing today has become a battle of vets and chemists. That is half the game today. It never used to be like this in the past.