Just in case anyone still thinks Prado can ride

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I defy you to name this happening just once, ever, anywhere!

Kent D. Kentucky Derby.

1.Got the horse out of the gate quickly as told.
2.Moved the horse across a majority of the field going into the 1st turn.
3.Kept the horse wide the whole race so he would not run into
any trouble until clear in the stretch.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Kent D. Kentucky Derby.

1.Got the horse out of the gate quickly as told.
2.Moved the horse across a majority of the field going into the 1st turn.
3.Kept the horse wide the whole race so he would not run into
any trouble until clear in the stretch.

1. Credit the horse.
2. OK.
3. So, basically do nothing. I'll give you half a credit on that one.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

1. Credit the horse.
2. OK.
3. So, basically do nothing. I'll give you half a credit on that one.

1. He could have run the horse inside much sooner. The horse was allowed to maintain a pretty straight run.
3. The horse was asked to run at the appropriate time also.

And how the heck do you give me half credit if you only accept 1 out of 3 premises? Give me 1/3 of a credit. Or 1 out of a possible 3 credits...

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by pgardn

1. He could have run the horse inside much sooner. The horse was allowed to maintain a pretty straight run.
3. The horse was asked to run at the appropriate time also.

And how the heck do you give me half credit if you only accept 1 out of 3 premises? Give me 1/3 of a credit. Or 1 out of a possible 3 credits...

Since the half of a credit I was giving you was clearly on point three, it only pertained to point three. Hence, half credit on point three, not on the total.

Your standards are pretty low if you are saying that asking a horse to run a pretty straight run counts as a 'good' ride. To me, that's more an instance of not messing things up.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Since the half of a credit I was giving you was clearly on point three, it only pertained to point three. Hence, half credit on point three, not on the total.

Your standards are pretty low if you are saying that asking a horse to run a pretty straight run counts as a 'good' ride. .

If you have the best horse, and don't need to take unecessary risks to win, isn't that the objective of a good ride?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by philcski

If you have the best horse, and don't need to take unecessary risks to win, isn't that the objective of a good ride?

I suppose that is one way you could define it.

To me though, that attitude is one of very low expectations (which I have, strangely enough!) from jockeys.

I'd like to think that a good ride is one in which the jock has to react to something, or out think his opposition. Getting a speed horse to the lead or keeping a closer out of a traffic jam is more of a common sense ride in my book.

I mean, really, would you call it a good ride anytime a need the lead sprinter gets sent so he gets two?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I suppose that is one way you could define it.

To me though, that attitude is one of very low expectations (which I have, strangely enough!) from jockeys.

I'd like to think that a good ride is one in which the jock has to react to something, or out think his opposition. Getting a speed horse to the lead or keeping a closer out of a traffic jam is more of a common sense ride in my book.

I mean, really, would you call it a good ride anytime a need the lead sprinter gets sent so he gets two?

In the situation where the jockey is NOT on the best horse, and would need a few things to go right for them to win, I would agree with you (such as hustling a horse with a pace advantage in a field devoid of speed). In the situation where the jockey has the favorite and doesn't need that racing luck/advantage, just let the horse do the work of winning if he's good enough or losing if he isnt.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

1. Credit the horse.
2. OK.
3. So, basically do nothing. I'll give you half a credit on that one.

You gave me a half a credit for number 3 and none for the others. OK for #2 means noted, but no soup for you.
So basically there is nothing kent D. could have done to lose the K. Derby on Big brown. I thought it was a bit more difficult than that.

You are a tough one.
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