Jeremy Rose

NoLuvForPletch · #1 06-26-2008, 09:07 AM

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Not sure what to make of the whole thing now. I think it's interesting that Howard Wolfendale, who prefers to NOT deal with ANY press, seems pretty OK with Rose's version of things and is being supportive of him. Says a lot no matter what anyone says. Wolfendale is an unusual guy.

Maggie said Rose immediately said to her and her mother after the race that he thought he caught the mare across face, so it isn't like he was trying to hide anything about what happened. I'm anxious to hear what Tony Black says today at 6pm as he'll explain if it is even possible to inadvertantly hit a horse across the face while stick handling.

Sure looks like he was taking her to the woodshed, but it's hard to be sure given our collective lack of experience as to where the riders sit....

With the mare almost snapping her own neck off after the smack across the face, I'm pretty sure he knew there would be questions and it wasn't something that would be "missed", even if she had escaped unscathed...

I look forward to Tony's take as well.

Scav · #2 06-26-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

With the mare almost snapping her own neck off after the smack across the face, I'm pretty sure he knew there would be questions and it wasn't something that would be "missed", even if she had escaped unscathed...

I look forward to Tony's take as well.

The thing is, if the connections are not livid and ready to strangle the kid, then maybe we are just looking at it the wrong way. The only person on this board that can really comment on the possibilities of hitting a horse in the face is the Mig, and hopefully he will comment on the situation to give us a real idea of the possibilities

Just a real strange situation, in what is a very chaotic time in the industry.

slotdirt · #3 06-26-2008, 09:16 AM

The only person on this board that can really comment on the possibilities of hitting a horse in the face is the Mig, and hopefully he will comment on the situation to give us a real idea of the possibilities

The Mig posts here?

Kasept · #4 06-26-2008, 09:18 AM

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The Mig posts here?

Well.. Once so far. But he does lurk, and may be inclined to weigh in on this..

blackthroatedwind · #5 06-26-2008, 10:52 AM

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Well.. Once so far. But he does lurk, and may be inclined to weigh in on this..

That will happen right after a herd of cattle flies by my window.

blackthroatedwind · #6 06-26-2008, 10:53 AM

By the way, I think Rose is being unfairly vilified for the sins of others and the whole thing stinks.

NoLuvForPletch · #7 06-26-2008, 10:58 AM

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By the way, I think Rose is being unfairly vilified for the sins of others and the whole thing stinks.

Wow! Really? Your take is that it was unintentional? I'm looking at this situation and not even thinking about other abuses and draw the conclusion that I did. While I'm not on the horse, I don't see one bit of truth from his statement. She wasn't lugging in when he cracked he, she was going straight. And the 2 extra whacks causing her to severely swerve into the oncoming herd behind her, was not only unwarrented but dangerous for the trailing horses and jockeys. What do you think the stews are trying to make up for here?

NoLuvForPletch · #8 06-26-2008, 10:53 AM

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That will happen right after a herd of cattle flies by my window.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

CSC · #9 06-26-2008, 10:58 AM

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That will happen right after a herd of cattle flies by my window.

Makes you wonder is there an unwritten code between Jockies? And if so how much of what Tony Black says today will be enlightening.

MaTH716 · #10 06-26-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

The thing is, if the connections are not livid and ready to strangle the kid, then maybe we are just looking at it the wrong way. The only person on this board that can really comment on the possibilities of hitting a horse in the face is the Mig, and hopefully he will comment on the situation to give us a real idea of the possibilities

Just a real strange situation, in what is a very chaotic time in the industry.

I personally think the conections like Jeremy and just don't want to throw him under the bus. Maybe they just don't feel the need because of the penalty he has recieved. As much as I want to believe him, I just can't. I am not a jockey and have no idea what it is like to be on a horse in the stretch, but to strike a horse on the shoulder you would think the whip would be coming in a downward motion (like the 2 whacks the mare got after being hit in the face). It looked like to me that it was a clear motion to her face.
The statement is just damage control. The only story that would have made a little sense to me would have been, that she shied away from the whip and lugged in, so I tried to show it to her and accidently whacked her in the face. That would be more believeable. But then you would still have the 2 whacks at the wire. Or he could just admit that he F'ed up and take his punishment like a man and hope the racing community forgives him.

Scav · #11 06-26-2008, 09:36 AM

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I personally think the conections like Jeremy and just don't want to throw him under the bus. Maybe they just don't feel the need because of the penalty he has recieved. As much as I want to believe him, I just can't. I am not a jockey and have no idea what it is like to be on a horse in the stretch, but to strike a horse on the shoulder you would think the whip would be coming in a downward motion (like the 2 whacks the mare got after being hit in the face). It looked like to me that it was a clear motion to her face.
The statement is just damage control. The only story that would have made a little sense to me would have been, that she shied away from the whip and lugged in, so I tried to show it to her and accidently whacked her in the face. That would be more believeable. But then you would still have the 2 whacks at the wire. Or he could just admit that he F'ed up and take his punishment like a man and hope the racing community forgives him.

If he didn't make a roundhouse type motion that was coming across his body. I would have to think that if you are going to strike a horse on its shoulder that a 45 degree motion with your arm pointing downward

I just did this in the office. Stand up, get into what is considered a jockey's stance, then go to the whip and start whipping to the rear, and then act like you are whipping on the shoulder, and then act like you are going to whip the horse in the face, three DISTINCT motions.

Again, I have no idea, I have been on a horse ONCE in my life and that was in the middle of wisconsin when I was like 8

GBBob · #12 06-26-2008, 09:37 AM

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If he didn't make a roundhouse type motion that was coming across his body. I would have to think that if you are going to strike a horse on its shoulder that a 45 degree motion with your arm pointing downward

I just did this in the office. Stand up, get into what is considered a jockey's stance, then go to the whip and start whipping to the rear, and then act like you are whipping on the shoulder, and then act like you are going to whip the horse in the face, three DISTINCT motions.

Again, I have no idea, I have been on a horse ONCE in my life and that was in the middle of wisconsin when I was like 8

umm...I.....

never mind

Scav · #13 06-26-2008, 09:39 AM

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umm...I.....

never mind

I had to do what is available. Chuck won't let me get on any of the horses

, for good reason

Antitrust32 · #14 06-26-2008, 09:39 AM

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If he didn't make a roundhouse type motion that was coming across his body. I would have to think that if you are going to strike a horse on its shoulder that a 45 degree motion with your arm pointing downward

I just did this in the office. Stand up, get into what is considered a jockey's stance, then go to the whip and start whipping to the rear, and then act like you are whipping on the shoulder, and then act like you are going to whip the horse in the face, three DISTINCT motions.

Again, I have no idea, I have been on a horse ONCE in my life and that was in the middle of wisconsin when I was like 8

do you have a video of this??? Please?!

GPK · #15 06-26-2008, 09:47 AM

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do you have a video of this??? Please?!

Flashes of drunk guys at the OTB screaming at the TV's while whipping themselves endlessly....

How can you not love this sport?

ninetoone · #16 06-26-2008, 03:27 PM

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do you have a video of this??? Please?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGI2z...eature=related

tiggerv · #17 06-26-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

If he didn't make a roundhouse type motion that was coming across his body. I would have to think that if you are going to strike a horse on its shoulder that a 45 degree motion with your arm pointing downward

I just did this in the office. Stand up, get into what is considered a jockey's stance, then go to the whip and start whipping to the rear, and then act like you are whipping on the shoulder, and then act like you are going to whip the horse in the face, three DISTINCT motions.

Again, I have no idea, I have been on a horse ONCE in my life and that was in the middle of wisconsin when I was like 8

Oh my

phystech · #18 06-26-2008, 10:42 AM

If Howard Wolfendale felt Rose intentionally hit his horse to do damage, Howard would have been all over him. Reading Wolfendale's press release tells me a lot and I'll trust his judgement since it was his horse.

One thing you don't do in MD - you don't f*** with Wolfendale.....

slotdirt · #19 06-26-2008, 10:45 AM

Right, I'm just saying, if Howard Wolfendale thought this was a deliberate act, I think he'd absolutely be all over Rose, as phystech mentions. Wolfendale's statement definitely muddies the water a bit in this incident.

Handicappy · #20 06-26-2008, 11:05 AM

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If Howard Wolfendale felt Rose intentionally hit his horse to do damage, Howard would have been all over him. Reading Wolfendale's press release tells me a lot and I'll trust his judgement since it was his horse.

One thing you don't do in MD - you don't f*** with Wolfendale.....

Well I am not in MD so here goes. I think, either way, whether it was an accident or delibrate, taking his defense is problematic.
Either you ride a jockey who can accidentally almost put your horses eye out or gets so pissed in a moment of frustration that he "takes him to the woodshed". Either way, there is a problem there.
I agree with Blackthroat in that he is paying for the collective sins of the past. That is problematic but if the sport is going to police itself it has to start somewhere. And, the horse is in the hospital for the injuries he sustained from the jockey. Why would anyone want to ride a joc who can accidentally or maliciously harm your animal to that extent?
Speaking of policing itself, Asmussen is going for another suspension.