Asmussen: Lone Star positive

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

But isn't lidocaine considered lower than mepivocaine?

I don't know if it's considered any less potent than mepivocaine. I think they are both considered Class II drugs. The article says that the recommended penalty in most states is 6 months.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't know if it's considered any less potent than mepivocaine. I think they are both considered Class II drugs. The article says that the recommended penalty in most states is 6 months.

Thanks.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The most recent trainers of the Kentucky Derby, and Breeders Cup Classic...on the same day?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The most recent trainers of the Kentucky Derby, and Breeders Cup Classic...on the same day?

And Larry Jones finished 2nd in both races with Hard Spun and Eight Belles.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't know if it's considered any less potent than mepivocaine. I think they are both considered Class II drugs. The article says that the recommended penalty in most states is 6 months.

Mepivacaine lasts a bit longer than lidocaine after local injection. However, lidocaine can also be used intravenously to relieve pain and correct some heart problems (in fact, a private vet copped to "accidentally" administering lidocaine instead of lasix that resulted in Jerry Hollendorfer getting cited with a lidocaine positive a couple of months ago). I don't think mepivacaine is used IV for reasons of toxicity.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Mepivacaine lasts a bit longer than lidocaine after local injection. However, lidocaine can also be used intravenously to relieve pain and correct some heart problems (in fact, a private vet copped to "accidentally" administering lidocaine instead of lasix that resulted in Jerry Hollendorfer getting cited with a lidocaine positive a couple of months ago). I don't think mepivacaine is used IV for reasons of toxicity.

I wonder if they checked to see if the Hollendorfer horse had lasix in his system. If he did, then the vet's explanation was hogwash.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I wonder if they checked to see if the Hollendorfer horse had lasix in his system. If he did, then the vet's explanation was hogwash.

Mixed that one up, actually. It was a Jeff Bonde horse that tested for lidocaine. The Hollendorfer horse (the positives were announced the same day--gotta love NoCal, do they have anything but supertrainers up there?) "only" had the sedative, xylazine, in its system.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I wonder if they checked to see if the Hollendorfer horse had lasix in his system. If he did, then the vet's explanation was hogwash.

Lidocaine instead of Lasix.......by accident? They got away with that story?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Lidocaine instead of Lasix.......by accident? They got away with that story?

It made more sense than Pletcher suggesting his horse tested for mepivacaine a couple years back because the horse in the adjacent stall (who apparently was being blocked) coughed and aerosolized the stuff, which of course was breathed in by the horse in question, Tales of Glory.

Also, at one point, when Jeff Mullins got his mepivacaine positive (its almost like a rite of passage ain't it?) it was blamed on a groom taking out a horse entered to race instead of a lame horse the vet was supposed to block (never mind that any diligent vet would have trotted the horse first to ensure the horse was unsound before proceeding--then again, who's to say that the runner was sound?).

[Bigsmc]

Scott Blasi has the best assistant trainer job going.

Here's Curlin, Scott, have fun for the next 6 months with him.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Scott Blasi has the best assistant trainer job going.

Here's Curlin, Scott, have fun for the next 6 months with him.

just think of the press overseas should curlin go to the arc--with his asst trainer due to the head trainer getting a drug pos.

[pgiaco]

[quote=RolloTomasi]It made more sense than Pletcher suggesting his horse tested for mepivacaine a couple years back because the horse in the adjacent stall (who apparently was being blocked) coughed and aerosolized the stuff, which of course was breathed in by the horse in question, Tales of Glory.

That is the single most ridiculous explanation I've ever heard.

[Rupert Pupkin]

At least Dutrow isn't making any excuses. He says he has "no problem" with the suspension.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/95828.html

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

At least Dutrow isn't making any excuses. He says he has "no problem" with the suspension.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/95828.html

no problem? then why is he appealing if it's no problem?

[Danzig]

and isn't it ironic.....assmussen was on a six month suspension when curlin started his career, and now it looks like he'll be suspended six months while curlin finishes his career.

[Bobby Fischer]

lidocane and some baking soda touched to your tongue will make your whole tongue and face numb

the other day my doctor cut through my side , and it didn't even hurt after he shot it up with lidocane.

what the hell does a horse who theraputically needs lidocaine have any business running within that month?

Up the ante a little guys, stuff like this is bad for business

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

lidocane and some baking soda touched to your tongue will make your whole tongue and face numb

the other day my doctor cut through my side , and it didn't even hurt after he shot it up with lidocane.

what the hell does a horse who theraputically needs lidocaine have any business running within that month?

Up the ante a little guys, stuff like this is bad for business

I have no idea about the particulars of this case but lidocaine is found in over the counter creams and gels. Steve Penrod, who is the last trainer that would ever do anything illegal, got a lidocaine positive a few years ago because the groom had used an aloe vera cream that had lidocaine in it on a filly's heels.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I have no idea about the particulars of this case but lidocaine is found in over the counter creams and gels. Steve Penrod, who is the last trainer that would ever do anything illegal, got a lidocaine positive a few years ago because the groom had used an aloe vera cream that had lidocaine in it on a filly's heels.

As an aside, fairly recently, didn't a girl pass away due to overdose of lidocaine because she used skin creams often ? In other words (read the label), this lidocaine positive was the result of applying lidocaine directly to the horse.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

... got a lidocaine positive a few years ago because the groom had used an aloe vera cream that had lidocaine in it on a filly's heels.

wow had no idea testing was that sensative!

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

what the hell does a horse who theraputically needs lidocaine have any business running within that month?

As can be construed from your entire post, lidocaine is used to facilitate minor surgical procedures and lameness diagnosis. Certainly horses are able to perform within a couple of weeks of such procedures (ie lacerations, throat surgery, etc) if given the go-ahead. The recommended withdrawal is 5 to 10 days depending on the amount used.

It would be interesting in these cases of local anesthetic positives to see whether or not the horses in question underwent any sort of treatment necessitating local anesthetic use. I'd imagine such information could be found on the daily reports private veterinarians are required to submit in most jurisdictions. Otherwise, its hard to swallow these so called "contamination" excuses.