Jeremy Rose

Kasept · #1 06-25-2008, 05:14 PM

Did anyone just hear Maggie Wolfendale call in to ATR?

slotdirt · #2 06-25-2008, 05:37 PM

I missed it, Kasept. What did she say?

Theatrical · #3 06-25-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Did anyone just hear Maggie Wolfendale call in to ATR?

She has a couple of posts on thoroughbred champions.

Bobby Fischer · #4 06-25-2008, 07:33 PM

Maybe Rose is just wildly inaccurate with the whip?
Does he have a lot swings-and-misses when attempting to whip on a horse's ass?

yea right

stay in shape for 6 months JR, come back better than ever, and don't accept any "free money" while out.

Danzig · #5 06-25-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Maybe Rose is just wildly inaccurate with the whip?
Does he have a lot swings-and-misses when attempting to whip on a horse's ass?

yea right

stay in shape for 6 months JR, come back better than ever, and don't accept any "free money" while out.

his poor girlfriend....

Stall Mucker · #6 06-25-2008, 08:37 PM

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his poor girlfriend....

Too bad. I thought the kid was a good rider. Given the right opportunities he could be great.
I watched the race. I've watched thousands to know what intent is. This was very bad. No, I'm not a steward. But, I know what I saw. We need more pro-active action. Rose got off light.
The "game" is in enough trouble. Time to clean it ALL up. Yes, it'll mean some more losing tix. As players we should be used to that.

Mag · #7 06-25-2008, 08:45 PM

The video in this link shows the eye injury (kinda graphic):

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pag...Y&pageId=3.2.1

paisjpq · #8 06-25-2008, 09:45 PM

I don't care how severe the injury actually is....that is ugly and looks painful, her eye is a mess.

NoLuvForPletch · #9 06-26-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Did anyone just hear Maggie Wolfendale call in to ATR?

Steve, I am in the middle of listening to yesterday's show. I am quite surprised by what is being said by your guests. Seth Morrow really didn't see the incident? I'm not saying that he's not being honest, but I find it hard to believe that ANYONE with ties remotely close to what he has to the sport hasn't seen the footage. Maggie Wolfendale saying that Rose didn't seem agitated when he returned with the mare tells me nothing. He had a few minutes during the gallop out and return before the unsaddling to realize what he had done. I'm not in his head, but hasn't everyone done something and IMMEDIATELY realized they F'ed UP? 3 minutes is plenty of time to compose yourself and come up with a STORY. And Gary West was the most shocking of all. He makes it seem like the harsh reaction to the incident is by people who don't really get it. People who are just out to ban the whip or are still feeling the sting from the Eight Belles situation. But on this board, we have owners, trainers, writers, professional handicappers, gamblers and die hard fans. With the exception of maybe slodirt, I'm pretty sure everyone else commenting here feels that it was done maliciously. And Gary West was "shocked at the ruling" and he sees "no indication that he was using his whip beligerantly or maliciously" and think this is an "over reaction". Seriously?

Maybe you comment on the show later on, as I said I am just listening Gary West now.

slotdirt · #10 06-26-2008, 08:47 AM

Don't forget jcs.

Kasept · #11 06-26-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Steve, I am in the middle of listening to yesterday's show. I am quite surprised by what is being said by your guests. Seth Morrow really didn't see the incident? I'm not saying that he's not being honest, but I find it hard to believe that ANYONE with ties remotely close to what he has to the sport hasn't seen the footage. Maggie Wolfendale saying that Rose didn't seem agitated when he returned with the mare tells me nothing. He had a few minutes during the gallop out and return before the unsaddling to realize what he had done. I'm not in his head, but hasn't everyone done something and IMMEDIATELY realized they F'ed UP? 3 minutes is plenty of time to compose yourself and come up with a STORY. And Gary West was the most shocking of all. He makes it seem like the harsh reaction to the incident is by people who don't really get it. People who are just out to ban the whip or are still feeling the sting from the Eight Belles situation. But on this board, we have owners, trainers, writers, professional handicappers, gamblers and die hard fans. With the exception of maybe slodirt, I'm pretty sure everyone else commenting here feels that it was done maliciously. And Gary West was "shocked at the ruling" and he sees "no indication that he was using his whip beligerantly or maliciously" and think this is an "over reaction". Seriously?

Maybe you comment on the show later on, as I said I am just listening Gary West now.

Not sure what to make of the whole thing now. I think it's interesting that Howard Wolfendale, who prefers to NOT deal with ANY press, seems pretty OK with Rose's version of things and is being supportive of him. Says a lot no matter what anyone says. Wolfendale is an unusual guy.

Maggie said Rose immediately said to her and her mother after the race that he thought he caught the mare across face, so it isn't like he was trying to hide anything about what happened. I'm anxious to hear what Tony Black says today at 6pm as he'll explain if it is even possible to inadvertantly hit a horse across the face while stick handling.

Sure looks like he was taking her to the woodshed, but it's hard to be sure given our collective lack of experience as to where the riders sit....

NoLuvForPletch · #12 06-26-2008, 09:07 AM

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Not sure what to make of the whole thing now. I think it's interesting that Howard Wolfendale, who prefers to NOT deal with ANY press, seems pretty OK with Rose's version of things and is being supportive of him. Says a lot no matter what anyone says. Wolfendale is an unusual guy.

Maggie said Rose immediately said to her and her mother after the race that he thought he caught the mare across face, so it isn't like he was trying to hide anything about what happened. I'm anxious to hear what Tony Black says today at 6pm as he'll explain if it is even possible to inadvertantly hit a horse across the face while stick handling.

Sure looks like he was taking her to the woodshed, but it's hard to be sure given our collective lack of experience as to where the riders sit....

With the mare almost snapping her own neck off after the smack across the face, I'm pretty sure he knew there would be questions and it wasn't something that would be "missed", even if she had escaped unscathed...

I look forward to Tony's take as well.

Scav · #13 06-26-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

With the mare almost snapping her own neck off after the smack across the face, I'm pretty sure he knew there would be questions and it wasn't something that would be "missed", even if she had escaped unscathed...

I look forward to Tony's take as well.

The thing is, if the connections are not livid and ready to strangle the kid, then maybe we are just looking at it the wrong way. The only person on this board that can really comment on the possibilities of hitting a horse in the face is the Mig, and hopefully he will comment on the situation to give us a real idea of the possibilities

Just a real strange situation, in what is a very chaotic time in the industry.

slotdirt · #14 06-26-2008, 09:16 AM

The only person on this board that can really comment on the possibilities of hitting a horse in the face is the Mig, and hopefully he will comment on the situation to give us a real idea of the possibilities

The Mig posts here?

Kasept · #15 06-26-2008, 09:18 AM

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The Mig posts here?

Well.. Once so far. But he does lurk, and may be inclined to weigh in on this..

MaTH716 · #16 06-26-2008, 09:32 AM

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The thing is, if the connections are not livid and ready to strangle the kid, then maybe we are just looking at it the wrong way. The only person on this board that can really comment on the possibilities of hitting a horse in the face is the Mig, and hopefully he will comment on the situation to give us a real idea of the possibilities

Just a real strange situation, in what is a very chaotic time in the industry.

I personally think the conections like Jeremy and just don't want to throw him under the bus. Maybe they just don't feel the need because of the penalty he has recieved. As much as I want to believe him, I just can't. I am not a jockey and have no idea what it is like to be on a horse in the stretch, but to strike a horse on the shoulder you would think the whip would be coming in a downward motion (like the 2 whacks the mare got after being hit in the face). It looked like to me that it was a clear motion to her face.
The statement is just damage control. The only story that would have made a little sense to me would have been, that she shied away from the whip and lugged in, so I tried to show it to her and accidently whacked her in the face. That would be more believeable. But then you would still have the 2 whacks at the wire. Or he could just admit that he F'ed up and take his punishment like a man and hope the racing community forgives him.

Scav · #17 06-26-2008, 09:36 AM

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I personally think the conections like Jeremy and just don't want to throw him under the bus. Maybe they just don't feel the need because of the penalty he has recieved. As much as I want to believe him, I just can't. I am not a jockey and have no idea what it is like to be on a horse in the stretch, but to strike a horse on the shoulder you would think the whip would be coming in a downward motion (like the 2 whacks the mare got after being hit in the face). It looked like to me that it was a clear motion to her face.
The statement is just damage control. The only story that would have made a little sense to me would have been, that she shied away from the whip and lugged in, so I tried to show it to her and accidently whacked her in the face. That would be more believeable. But then you would still have the 2 whacks at the wire. Or he could just admit that he F'ed up and take his punishment like a man and hope the racing community forgives him.

If he didn't make a roundhouse type motion that was coming across his body. I would have to think that if you are going to strike a horse on its shoulder that a 45 degree motion with your arm pointing downward

I just did this in the office. Stand up, get into what is considered a jockey's stance, then go to the whip and start whipping to the rear, and then act like you are whipping on the shoulder, and then act like you are going to whip the horse in the face, three DISTINCT motions.

Again, I have no idea, I have been on a horse ONCE in my life and that was in the middle of wisconsin when I was like 8

CSC · #18 06-26-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

With the mare almost snapping her own neck off after the smack across the face, I'm pretty sure he knew there would be questions and it wasn't something that would be "missed", even if she had escaped unscathed...

I look forward to Tony's take as well.

My problem with Rose's statement is he is anything but an apprentice rider, surely a rider of his caliber knows when something goes amiss, then we also have the 2nd and 3rd whack to deal with. Let's face it to miss by that much, something isn't right here. As for the Owners I am puzzled by their lack of reaction, one can only speculate is this more of the old guys club establishment that horseracing seems to foster....Let's keep this under wraps. Anyway hearing Tony Black's opinion will be interesting.

slotdirt · #19 06-26-2008, 10:27 AM

What good is there in the owners and the trainer coming to Rose's defense if they didn't actually think the incident was accidental? I sincerely doubt Jeremy Rose of all people is part of the old boys establishment of horse racing.

CSC · #20 06-26-2008, 10:41 AM

This is silly, we have the video, I just viewed it again for good measure. The horse was on the rail at that point she was not lugging in, she was running straight, there is no doubt what Rose's intentions were. Maybe he didn't mean to hit her in the eye, but the target was certainly the head.