Colonel John

[NTamm1215]

There was a great amount of discussion about him prior to the Derby and I know DrugS made it clear on this site that Tiznow's progeny are doing extraordinarily well on synthetic surfaces. Thus, Colonel John's ability to win a race like the Travers is completely unknown until he tries conventional dirt again.

I can tell you this much, if he comes into the Travers off of a good race in the Swaps but with no dirt race since the Derby, I'll bet against him with both fists.

NT

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There was a great amount of discussion about him prior to the Derby and I know DrugS made it clear on this site that Tiznow's progeny are doing extraordinarily well on synthetic surfaces. Thus, Colonel John's ability to win a race like the Travers is completely unknown until he tries conventional dirt again.

I can tell you this much, if he comes into the Travers off of a good race in the Swaps but with no dirt race since the Derby, I'll bet against him with both fists.

NT

swaps ? i read today hes already at saratoga.

[texarkana]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

swaps ? i read today hes already at saratoga.

Huh? As of last week he was still at Hollywood Park and they were talking Swaps...

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by texarkana

Huh? As of last week he was still at Hollywood Park and they were talking Swaps...

my local paper says that he is going to saratoga.... hold on im going to check it

[jcs11204]

ok i read it wrong, i guess he could be going swaps then to saratoga... here is the paragraph...

One-time top Derby candidate Pyro, who recently won the Northern Dancer at Churchill Downs for trainer Steve Asmussen, is another candidate. Trainers Todd Pletcher of Ready’s Echo and Behindatthebar, Dallas Stewart of Macho Again and Eoin Harty of Colonel John will also be on the grounds this summer, and none of their horses have been ruled out.

[Danzig]

according to the bloodhorse magazine i got in the mail yesterday, pyro is being pointed to the haskell. of course that could change, but i would think after the belmont that other trainers won't be quite so antsy about facing big brown. he showed he was a mere mortal that day.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

according to the bloodhorse magazine i got in the mail yesterday, pyro is being pointed to the haskell. of course that could change, but i would think after the belmont that other trainers won't be quite so antsy about facing big brown. he showed he was a mere mortal that day.

at this point, i would say, no way pyro runs in the haskell, i read dwyer... then maybe jim dandy-travers

Originally Posted by Danzig

according to the bloodhorse magazine i got in the mail yesterday, pyro is being pointed to the haskell. of course that could change, but i would think after the belmont that other trainers won't be quite so antsy about facing big brown. he showed he was a mere mortal that day.

I think you're being just a lil bit ridiculous with the Big Brown trash talking.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There was a great amount of discussion about him prior to the Derby and I know DrugS made it clear on this site that Tiznow's progeny are doing extraordinarily well on synthetic surfaces. Thus, Colonel John's ability to win a race like the Travers is completely unknown until he tries conventional dirt again.

I can tell you this much, if he comes into the Travers off of a good race in the Swaps but with no dirt race since the Derby, I'll bet against him with both fists.

NT

at this point, if your looking at the big picture he has to be a very legit horse, just because of his success on synthetics and the fact that the breeders cup is run over it.
i still think his run in the santa anita derby was very explosive.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There was a great amount of discussion about him prior to the Derby and I know DrugS made it clear on this site that Tiznow's progeny are doing extraordinarily well on synthetic surfaces. Thus, Colonel John's ability to win a race like the Travers is completely unknown until he tries conventional dirt again.

I can tell you this much, if he comes into the Travers off of a good race in the Swaps but with no dirt race since the Derby, I'll bet against him with both fists.

NT

I was disappointed Colonel John didn't contest either of the remain TC races. He showed in his CD workout, which may have been a bit too fast in retrospect (sub-58 for 5f) that he could handle the dirt. In the Derby, as is typical of Corey Nakatani in that race (see Halory Hunter, AP Valentine, Alyrob, etc), he was placed way too far back in the field to make an impact. Whereas he was typically no more than 5 or 6 off the pace (and even sometimes right on top of it) in his previous starts, having him nearly 20 lengths arrears early certainly didn't put him in position to win, particularly when he's displayed more of a "grinder"-type finish in his off-the-pace efforts. Regardless, he did make a big middle move to at least reach the second flight of horse before failing to sustain his bid, none which suggests that the surface was much of a problem.

I suppose he skipped the last two classics to prepare for this second half. Unfortunately, now, he faces what may be a much tougher Swaps then previously anticipated. Two Step Salsa (who at this stage is still on the fence) has been monstrous on the lead in his last pair going 7f and 8.5f. The Swaps figures to come up light in field size and pace, putting this colt in prime position to derail Colonel John's summer, right off the bat.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I was disappointed Colonel John didn't contest either of the remain TC races. He showed in his CD workout, which may have been a bit too fast in retrospect (sub-58 for 5f) that he could handle the dirt. In the Derby, as is typical of Corey Nakatani in that race (see Halory Hunter, AP Valentine, Alyrob, etc), he was placed way too far back in the field to make an impact. Whereas he was typically no more than 5 or 6 off the pace (and even sometimes right on top of it) in his previous starts, having him nearly 20 lengths arrears early certainly didn't put him in position to win, particularly when he's displayed more of a "grinder"-type finish in his off-the-pace efforts. Regardless, he did make a big middle move to at least reach the second flight of horse before failing to sustain his bid, none which suggests that the surface was much of a problem.

I suppose he skipped the last two classics to prepare for this second half. Unfortunately, now, he faces what may be a much tougher Swaps then previously anticipated. Two Step Salsa (who at this stage is still on the fence) has been monstrous on the lead in his last pair going 7f and 8.5f. The Swaps figures to come up light in field size and pace, putting this colt in prime position to derail Colonel John's summer, right off the bat.

grinder ? i saw a explosive turn of foot in the santa anita derby

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

grinder ? i saw a explosive turn of foot in the santa anita derby

He was under heavy pressure to get going from behind at the 1/4 pole and a lot of his dramatic rush to the wire was probably aided by sprinter Bob Black Jack yielding late. His Hollywood Futurity run suggests the same.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I was disappointed Colonel John didn't contest either of the remain TC races. He showed in his CD workout, which may have been a bit too fast in retrospect (sub-58 for 5f) that he could handle the dirt. In the Derby, as is typical of Corey Nakatani in that race (see Halory Hunter, AP Valentine, Alyrob, etc), he was placed way too far back in the field to make an impact. Whereas he was typically no more than 5 or 6 off the pace (and even sometimes right on top of it) in his previous starts, having him nearly 20 lengths arrears early certainly didn't put him in position to win, particularly when he's displayed more of a "grinder"-type finish in his off-the-pace efforts. Regardless, he did make a big middle move to at least reach the second flight of horse before failing to sustain his bid, none which suggests that the surface was much of a problem.

I suppose he skipped the last two classics to prepare for this second half. Unfortunately, now, he faces what may be a much tougher Swaps then previously anticipated. Two Step Salsa (who at this stage is still on the fence) has been monstrous on the lead in his last pair going 7f and 8.5f. The Swaps figures to come up light in field size and pace, putting this colt in prime position to derail Colonel John's summer, right off the bat.

also the swaps is just a comeback race, a prep for bigger things. if he runs a good second to a very sharp horse like TSS, im sure the connections will be happy, and ready to move forward to saratoga.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Two Step Salsa (who at this stage is still on the fence) has been monstrous on the lead in his last pair going 7f and 8.5f. The Swaps figures to come up light in field size and pace, putting this colt in prime position to derail Colonel John's summer, right off the bat.

Holy cow.

Just watched those replays. Horse runs very hard early and still has gas in the tank.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Holy cow.

Just watched those replays. Horse runs very hard early and still has gas in the tank.

Not that they are particularly top class monsters, but when good horses like Salute The Sarge and Dixie Chatter come at you at the 3/8s pole with threatening runs and you rip their heads off down the lane, you've got to be considered one very promising race horse.

Let's see what how he finishes when he actually has a worthy pace rival early, however.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Not that they are particularly top class monsters, but when good horses like Salute The Sarge and Dixie Chatter come at you at the 3/8s pole with threatening runs and you rip their heads off down the lane, you've got to be considered one very promising race horse.

Let's see what how he finishes when he actually has a worthy pace rival early, however.

i might be wrong, but wasen't he on easy leads all alone in his last 2 ?
pace is the key to every race....

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i might be wrong, but wasen't he on easy leads all alone in his last 2 ?
pace is the key to every race....

Yeah, I mentioned that.

I also mentioned that its likely at this point that he will also get an easy lead in the Swaps.

[opusone]

I would like to see Colonel John take another crack at a dirt track. If it doesn't work out leave in Cali. Give him two shots at the BC on a track he likes, and pick up some nice purses along the way.

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i might be wrong, but wasen't he on easy leads all alone in his last 2 ?
pace is the key to every race....

He is on easy leads because he runs 23 and 46 for a mile and an eighth on the stuff, thats part of it. The horse does not get out of the gate well but has phenomenal early speed. He has been challenged at pace on a grass turf sprint and came in 2nd. Fought very hard at the end.
The most suprising part for me is he has run hard fractions, had challengers come up to his rear and then he pulls away. The style is what interests me.

We will see. Looks like a tough animal. Will have to wait until he gets away from Cali tracks.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There was a great amount of discussion about him prior to the Derby and I know DrugS made it clear on this site that Tiznow's progeny are doing extraordinarily well on synthetic surfaces....,

NT

.. and on dirt and on turf (Da' Tara and Tizdejavu). Tiznow, a dirt horse with natural stamina, sires horses who run well on all surfaces. Polytrack, one among the many types of AW (all-weather) surfaces, generally demands more stamina and/or fitness than average, and the Tiznows have the stamina part.