Jeremy Rose

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Not to single out your post at all John, but it's not idle speculation. Happened yesterday and he was in front of stewards this morning.

Story will appear soon on Blood-Horse or elsewhere. There is going to be a real negative reaction.

Not that anyone would condone what may have happened....but I hope he is not being punished outside of the rules because....A - the horse suffered the supposed injury and B - because of a concern over public backlash.

If the rules need to be fixed, then fix them, but making examples, especially at a time of hysteria like now, is a very slippery slope.

[SentToStud]

Russell Baze got 15 (30?) days for misuse of the whip. Six months for Rose would seem very excessive.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Russell Baze got 15 (30?) days for misuse of the whip. Six months for Rose would seem very excessive.

and didnt that horse die in the baze case? (just asking... nobody get on my case if i am not right because I dont know for sure!)

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Wasn't the Baze case an incident of him trying to ride out a horse who appeared to be going wrong just before the wire?

This sounds like straight up abuse if it is true.

Baze could always say that he wasn't sure his horse was going wrong until it was too late.

If all of this is true then it's an appropriate suspension. These guys have to be punished where it hurts...the wallet.

[parsixfarms]

The part that has always befuddled me is the gross disparity between sanctions handed down to jockeys and those handed down for trainers. If he is going to get six months, then "the authorities" are saying that his offense is 2-3X worse than the misdeeds of trainers with "bad" positives. It just doesn't compute. No wonder the riders feel that they are treated as if they are a fungible commodity.

[horseofcourse]

Why on earth is Rose hitting a horse with a whip on the head?? Was it accidental or was he just banging him on the noggin??

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I just watched it - it was Appeal To The City in the 3rd at Delaware Park yesterday.

Right before the wire he smacks the horse in the face with a left handed whip.

Watch for yourself at Cal Racing.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I just watched it - it was Appeal To The City in the 3rd at Delaware Park yesterday.

Right before the wire he smacks the horse in the face with a left handed whip.

Watch for yourself at Cal Racing.

the head on shows more, but it's hard to tell if it was intentional. Probably was.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I just watched it - it was Appeal To The City in the 3rd at Delaware Park yesterday.

Right before the wire he smacks the horse in the face with a left handed whip.

Watch for yourself at Cal Racing.

I may be a tard for this, but when I log into Cal Racing, I can only choose from California tracks' replays. How do I get Delaware?

[tiggerv]

Just watched the replay. What an absolute clown.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

The part that has always befuddled me is the gross disparity between sanctions handed down to jockeys and those handed down for trainers. If he is going to get six months, then "the authorities" are saying that his offense is 2-3X worse than the misdeeds of trainers with "bad" positives. It just doesn't compute. No wonder the riders feel that they are treated as if they are a fungible commodity.

Jockeys usually get 7 day penalties that they delay until winter when they wont be riding anyway. How many get 6 months? Assmussen got 6 months and Biancone effectively got a year and he didnt even get a positive. I find that jockeys usually get days for things that are either dangerous or intentional. The vast majority of medication positives are neither dangerous or intentional.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Jockeys usually get 7 day penalties that they delay until winter when they wont be riding anyway. How many get 6 months? Assmussen got 6 months and Biancone effectively got a year and he didnt even get a positive. I find that jockeys usually get days for things that are either dangerous or intentional. The vast majority of medication positives are neither dangerous or intentional.

I'm thinking about those jockeys at Tampa who got ruled off the grounds immediately - with an effective penalty far worse than a few days, and the "battery" incident where the guy lost his license for a few years, if I recall.

I agree that the jockeys' appeals until December render the "typical" careless riding suspensions meaningless.

The trainers that you referenced are the only ones that I can remember getting penalties that severe, and I doubt their misdeeds were unintentional.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I'm thinking about those jockeys at Tampa who got ruled off the grounds immediately - with an effective penalty far worse than a few days, and the "battery" incident where the guy lost his license for a few years, if I recall.

I agree that the jockeys' appeals until December render the "typical" careless riding suspensions meaningless.

The trainers that you referenced are the only ones that I can remember getting penalties that severe, and I doubt their misdeeds were unintentional.

I cant say too much about the Tampa situation other than where the is smoke...

I hope you arent saying that using an electrical device is the equal to a medication positive? Maybe for etorphine. As we have discussed far too often about positive tests, the system sucks, most positives have no effect on the horse, and the vast majority are for allowed meds. A "machine" is blatantly illegal.

I can remember lots of trainers getting 30 to 45 day suspensions including Pletcher.

The difference between a jockey getting days and a trainer getting days is that the trainer has employees and expenses that dont go away. A jock packs his stuff and goes on vacation. Not to mention the trouble caused for the connections who have to scramble to find a new rider, often after the best jocks are already locked up.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Russell Baze got 15 (30?) days for misuse of the whip. Six months for Rose would seem very excessive.

Baze popped that horse twice trying to hold on to a placing finish in the stretch run of a race in Northern California where I am not convinced his use of the whip was excessive at all or that he even knew the horse was in trouble when he hit him the first time. He backed off the whip within less than a second but unfortunately he was dealing with a horse who had suffered an injury and he looked abusive in front of a grandstand for all to see.

An incident during a race should be treated completely differently than an action after a race such as what Stokes did one night at the Mountain recently or the jock in Philly who was disciplined a couple months back.