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Old 06-24-2008, 02:45 PM
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Of course not! I love idle speculation.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:50 PM
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Of course not! I love idle speculation.
Not to single out your post at all John, but it's not idle speculation. Happened yesterday and he was in front of stewards this morning.

Story will appear soon on Blood-Horse or elsewhere. There is going to be a real negative reaction.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:51 PM
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Not to single out your post at all John, but it's not idle speculation. Happened yesterday and he was in front of stewards this morning.

Story will appear soon on Blood-Horse or elsewhere. There is going to be a real negative reaction.
I said that tongue in cheek, of course. Are there any more details to the story than the first post in this thread?
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:34 PM
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I said that tongue in cheek, of course. Are there any more details to the story than the first post in this thread?
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:36 PM
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All righty then, I guess there was intent. Dumb, dumb, dumb, Jeremy.
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:48 PM
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this might be a dumb question, but is this suspension from Del Park only? If so, is he not free to take his tak elsewhere?

tampa guys last year and p-val come to mind when talking about these situations.

i have not got a chance to see the replay, so i have no opinion at this point

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Old 06-24-2008, 03:49 PM
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this might be a dumb question, but is this suspension from Del Park only? If so, is he not free to take his tak elsewhere?

tampa guys last year and p-val come to mind when talking about these situations.

i have not got a chance to see the replay, so i have no opinion at this point

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I highly doubt someone would ride him, regardless of where he goes, he probably wouldn't get a license.

No one wants to be in this firestorm. WHOA!!
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:59 PM
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I highly doubt someone would ride him, regardless of where he goes, he probably wouldn't get a license.

No one wants to be in this firestorm. WHOA!!

anythings possible, supposed race fixers got mounts at finger lakes... and i'm pretty sure billy patin came back to ride after the buzzer incident.

my point is, he can go to a small circuit and keep making ends meat if this is just a del. park suspension.
but if it's as blatant as everyone says it is, i think he should be in Kierran Fallan status, a man without a country

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Old 06-24-2008, 02:53 PM
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Not to single out your post at all John, but it's not idle speculation. Happened yesterday and he was in front of stewards this morning.

Story will appear soon on Blood-Horse or elsewhere. There is going to be a real negative reaction.

Not that anyone would condone what may have happened....but I hope he is not being punished outside of the rules because....A - the horse suffered the supposed injury and B - because of a concern over public backlash.

If the rules need to be fixed, then fix them, but making examples, especially at a time of hysteria like now, is a very slippery slope.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:56 PM
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Russell Baze got 15 (30?) days for misuse of the whip. Six months for Rose would seem very excessive.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:59 PM
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Russell Baze got 15 (30?) days for misuse of the whip. Six months for Rose would seem very excessive.

and didnt that horse die in the baze case? (just asking... nobody get on my case if i am not right because I dont know for sure!)
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:07 PM
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Wasn't the Baze case an incident of him trying to ride out a horse who appeared to be going wrong just before the wire?

This sounds like straight up abuse if it is true.

Baze could always say that he wasn't sure his horse was going wrong until it was too late.
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:10 PM
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If all of this is true then it's an appropriate suspension. These guys have to be punished where it hurts...the wallet.
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:11 PM
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The part that has always befuddled me is the gross disparity between sanctions handed down to jockeys and those handed down for trainers. If he is going to get six months, then "the authorities" are saying that his offense is 2-3X worse than the misdeeds of trainers with "bad" positives. It just doesn't compute. No wonder the riders feel that they are treated as if they are a fungible commodity.
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:14 PM
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Why on earth is Rose hitting a horse with a whip on the head?? Was it accidental or was he just banging him on the noggin??
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:18 PM
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Just watched the replay. What an absolute clown.
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:33 PM
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The part that has always befuddled me is the gross disparity between sanctions handed down to jockeys and those handed down for trainers. If he is going to get six months, then "the authorities" are saying that his offense is 2-3X worse than the misdeeds of trainers with "bad" positives. It just doesn't compute. No wonder the riders feel that they are treated as if they are a fungible commodity.
Jockeys usually get 7 day penalties that they delay until winter when they wont be riding anyway. How many get 6 months? Assmussen got 6 months and Biancone effectively got a year and he didnt even get a positive. I find that jockeys usually get days for things that are either dangerous or intentional. The vast majority of medication positives are neither dangerous or intentional.
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:22 PM
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Russell Baze got 15 (30?) days for misuse of the whip. Six months for Rose would seem very excessive.

Baze popped that horse twice trying to hold on to a placing finish in the stretch run of a race in Northern California where I am not convinced his use of the whip was excessive at all or that he even knew the horse was in trouble when he hit him the first time. He backed off the whip within less than a second but unfortunately he was dealing with a horse who had suffered an injury and he looked abusive in front of a grandstand for all to see.

An incident during a race should be treated completely differently than an action after a race such as what Stokes did one night at the Mountain recently or the jock in Philly who was disciplined a couple months back.
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