Declan's Moon...Turf on Thursday

[ddthetide]

he's not run a decent race since he was injured at 3 and missed the TC. kinda sad.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

he's not run a decent race since he was injured at 3 and missed the TC. kinda sad.

Not true. His first two come back races were very good, then he seemed to stop trying. He has been a hell of a work horse in the morning.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

In this day and age, is winning at a 17% clip really high?

His win percentage over the last few years is about is about 22% not 17%. As I said, the 17% this year is very misleading because he has 15 wins but about 23 or 24 seconds. That's an aberration. He's basically a 20% trainer. That is very high on the Southern California circuit.

[ArlJim78]

I cant imagine what the knock is on Ellis. He seems like a solid trainer to me.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Doesn't he train for you? So maybe you are a bit biased?

It doesn't matter whether he trains for me or not. I'm just talking about the facts. He has strengths and weaknesses like every trainer. I recognize that win percentage is not everything, but over the last few years he has consistently had one of the highest win percentages on this circuit. When horses move into his barn, they usually improve.

He can't be completely incompetent.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I never said he was.

It wasn't you who called him incompetent. It was Indian Charlie.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

It wasn't you who called him incompetent. It was Indian Charlie.

Actually, I called him incompetent. Not completely incompetent.

I do like about him that he seems to take care of his horses better than alot of other trainers.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Actually, I called him incompetent. Not completely incompetent.

I do like about him that he seems to take care of his horses better than alot of other trainers.

you are calling a lot of ppl names latley, i did not realize your the new man around here.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Actually, I called him incompetent. Not completely incompetent.

I do like about him that he seems to take care of his horses better than alot of other trainers.

Yes, he is very conscientious. He is probably in the top 5% when it comes to that. He is very quick to turn horses out to the farm if they develop a problem.

Some of these guys will just keep running them no matter what. They will run them until the horse is so lame that they have no choice but to turn them out. It's usually too late by then. At that point, permanent damage has been done and the horse will never come back the same.